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R.I.P to Sir Stanley Reed. you will be sadly missed !
Billy
Tooting , - Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 13:10:41 (PDT)
Wimbledon supporters are calling on football fans to join their vigil outside FA headquarters in Soho Square on Friday.
An FA commission is meeting to decide whether the Dons can relocate to Milton Keynes.
But the Wimbledon Independent Supporters Association (WISA) plan to protest against the move every day this week.
They hope to repeat the success of their Fans United Day in March when representatives from all 92 Football League clubs joined them in the stands at Selhurst Park for a match against Nottingham Forest.
WISA spokesman Marc Jones said: "We'll protest until an announcement is made and we want people to sign a visitors book with messages of support for our cause.
"We've taken over a fenced-off little corner of Soho Square with banners and drivers going past are honking their car horns in support.
"I believe football is at a crossroads - we can follow the businessmen or give the game back to the fans."
Horse
- Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 05:38:16 (PDT)
re- davis & everton. aye. saw that. claims the stubling block is the fee but good ol' ck will prob give him away. Moyes only has to ask.
jim
- Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 04:59:43 (PDT)
Did anyone see the Sun today? It has a report that Kelvin Davis has been on trial with Everton for the last two days!!!!
Horse
- Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 04:34:00 (PDT)
Its about time W&WW and WIA chat were held on different servers :-(
WIDA
Cyberspace, - Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 04:26:05 (PDT)
There are an awful lot of new faces on here today!! Something must of gone down :-) Come on England!!!!!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 04:12:19 (PDT)
anyone any idea when it might be back?
mjs (mjs@mjscorp.biz)
- Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 04:05:13 (PDT)
anyone give an update on the fa vigil? is it still happening today? Normally i wld use w&ww but it's down. Thanks
jim
- Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 04:04:59 (PDT)
The server supporting W&WW, WISA & Dons Trust websites has apparently gone down...
R Don
- Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 03:49:30 (PDT)
Can anybody else not access the WISA and W&WW sites today?
Horse
- Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 03:36:37 (PDT)
Chris - read my last post, if Koppel gets his way he will do his best to have WFC playing in a stadium close to MK NEXT SEASON! the whole ticketing thing will not be an issue by then!! if he doesn't get his way and Koppel goes I am sure the ST boycott will be lifted. Next season is not important, what is important is what is happening with the FA commission and our club, anything else is not worth thinking about
Hutch
- Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 03:24:51 (PDT)
Anyone who can spare any time to go up to the vigil, please do. We need to make a point, to prove we are loyal supporters. Could you mail me, or luke on lukeyboymac@blueyonder.co.uk so we have some idea of numbers, and so we can, hopefully, sort out some shifts.
clair (clair@wisa.org.uk)
purley, - Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 03:24:10 (PDT)
I'm a bit confused over ticketing next season. I'm not going to renew my season ticket for a whole host of reasons and so for the first time in ten years will buy tickets on a match by match basis. I just phoned the WFC box office and the operator said that i don't need a £25 membership in order to buy a ticket and that there is no restriction on what part of the ground i can buy it for. Is she having me on? BTW my thoughts on the club shop employees that are constantly talked about on this site. Those that criticise them and call them traitors are IMHO being unrealistic. I'm making the assumtion that it is their full time job, they therfor have to provide for themselves and their families and shouldn't have to face abuse. Some things are, contrary to what many who post on WFC fan sites believe, more important than football. I say leave them alone.
chris holmes
- Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 02:57:46 (PDT)
Wiltshire - I don't think it will be an issue by then, hopefully, for the sanity of all dons the whole MK situation will be sorted by then. If MK is thrown out what will stop you buying a season ticket? if it is approved Koppel (if he gets his way) will have WFC playing somewhere else anyway so it won't matter.
Hutch
- Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 02:10:10 (PDT)
wouldn't hold your breath for FA to act this week as the men in blazers who matter are more interested in junkets in Glasgow and Dubai. Here's a thought; GOOD Coppell; bad Koppell.
northernsouler
se25, - Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 02:05:03 (PDT)
Hash - shouldn't that be the late, lamented SW19's ARMY? :)
REPD (repd@repd.net)
I blame Koppel, meself - Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 13:55:02 (PDT)
Wiltshire, £25 membership allows you to purchase up to 4 tickets I think, why not just write to Koppel and say that you will not be partaking in his absurd membership scheme as the stadium will be almost empty anyway and as membership is not a requirement to sit in the Arthur Waite it is your intention to partake of one of the seats within that area and how will Wimbledon FC supervise, police this situation, is membership a requirement for the Sainsbury end
Wunderin Don
- Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 12:46:49 (PDT)
mate, its a fact of life. They (w&ww, wisa, sw19s army) always go down on the eve of/around important announcements.
The Real Hash
- Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 12:41:36 (PDT)
wheres weird and wonderful world and wisa gone?
HELP! (HELP!)
- Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 12:35:10 (PDT)
Assuming we are still around at the start of the season and we are still playing at Selhurst and none of us have bought a season ticket and most of us sit in the Holmesdale Road stand which is or has been a member only stand,will we have to stump up a £25 membership fee if we want to sit there?That could a lot of dosh and whose pocket will that end up in? Alternatively should we not pay, turn up for the first home game and if refused tickets ask the away fans to buy tickets for us in the AW stand. Again I suppose one person could become a member then buy a few thousand tickets. Now ther's a thought. Anyone got any views.
wiltshire don
- Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 12:22:27 (PDT)
Assuming we are still around at the start of the season and we are still playing at Selhurst and none of us have bought a season ticket and most of us sit in the Holmesdale Road stand which is or has been a member only stand,will we have to stump up a £25 membership fee if we want to sit there?That could a lot of dosh and whose pocket will that end up in? Alternatively should we not pay, turn up for the first home game and if refused tickets ask the away fans to buy tickets for us in the AW stand. Again I suppose one person could become a member then buy a few thousand tickets. Now ther's a thought. Anyone got any views.
wiltshire don
- Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 12:21:37 (PDT)
Moving away from the MK debate for a moment.If we are still around at the start of the season and if we are playing at Selhurst and we all haven't bought a season ticket, as most of us sit in the Holmesdale Road stand and it is members only will we have to stump up a £25 membership fee? That's a fair bit of dosh and whose pocket will that go into? Alternatively do we all turn up for the first game ask for a ticket and refuse to pay £25. I suppose we could ask the away fans to buy us tickets in the AW stand and sit with them!! Anyone got any views?
wiltshire don
- Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 12:14:25 (PDT)
Worthing Don - it always makes me smile, that's one of the reasons we came up with the job title. Can't really blame BW for it though. Can I just ask - do you really think that email thing you mention happens? We must be doing something very badly wrong if you can genuinely believe something like that.
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
London, - Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 10:43:26 (PDT)
TW - hope you can make it, if so we can have a sensible conversation about any misgivings you have about any demonstrations or any action, WISA-organised or not. As for the Scottish clubs - I believe that if it did happen it would be bad for us, but the FA have very clearly stated their opposition to it today, and David Burns was also very clear about his opposition at the weekend. So I'm hoping that at least cools the story off for a while.
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
London, - Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 10:41:37 (PDT)
Could Celtic + Rangers joining the Football League be the start of a very big snowball? Just supposing this goes ahead. Benfica, Porto and Sprting all quit Portugal and join the Spanish League. Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV say "stuff playing Willen II Tilburg this weekend", and join the Germans. Anderlecht join the French, and so on. UEFA try to block it with the threat of bans from the Champions League, but these clubs just resign their membership and start their own competition. The Euro Super League is born. Impossible? Maybe not. Otherwise, TW's idea of it being a smokescreen to slip in some more bad news (just like New Labour) seems quite credible too. Be afraid.
Edinburgh Don
- Monday, May 13, 2002 at 05:41:16 (PDT)
There goes Jamie delivering a bit of surreal humour to proceedings rather than discussing TW's latest thread (Boom Boom).
Edinburgh Don
- Monday, May 13, 2002 at 05:33:44 (PDT)
I was reading some of the recent posts with interest and it reminded me of a story…
When I was doing missionary work for House of Frasier in Namibia, I bumped into John Noakes of Blue Peter fame, who was in the country collecting exotic shrubs for an upcoming programme about metal fatigue.
He said “hello” and I knitted a sweater…
Nothing strange there, you might think. But, what makes this tale truly unusual is the fact that, given the time difference between Namibia and Epping Forest, he still hadn’t mastered the many subtleties of midwifery!
Strange but true…
Jamie (Jamie(bigtonguedcheftwat)oliver@bovril-wallet-camcorder.com)
- Monday, May 13, 2002 at 04:43:12 (PDT)
I have sent my letter to Mr Crozier politely asking him and the other suits to politely decline CK request, though isn't he off to Dubai today? I also know of Dons 'fans' who have written in support of MK asking him to ensure the survival of the Club. Doesn't that make you sick? BTW - in peoples heart of hearts what do you think the FA will say? I have a really bad feeling that WFC will get their way..... It worries me that a load of suits will be making the decision and no consultation of the fans, despite our letters etc...
Ralph Malph
- Monday, May 13, 2002 at 03:39:15 (PDT)
B. Womble, do you have a little name badge to accopmany that ridiculous title of yours 'Taskmaster'...... sounds like some sort of seedy dominatrix :o)
TW, you should remember you can't do anything off your own back, you MUST have WISA authorization. And now I have had a perceived dig at them, B.Womble, Kris et al will all email each other and say get on IMBD and defend the cause someone is having a go. Keep up the good work lads :o)
Worthing Don
- Monday, May 13, 2002 at 03:34:12 (PDT)
Kris, REPD, Brighton Womble, thank you. At last some sensible replies. It is a pity I had to resort to sarcasm to get some proper thoughts. If you read my earlier posts they were (I hope) based on reasoned debate, also some thoughts on the late Stanley. But nothing. So I resorted to cheap jibes and now hove constructive replies. You are all right, absolutely correct. I don't wish to harp back but in the past, on this and other sites, we have phrases such as, "it was ok to intimidate people, as the ends will justify the end", "I never saw any violence", "what's a few swear words when our club's future is a stake?" You see not once did I see WISA publicly condem this, I know one or two members privately distanced themselves but nothing officially. And, I am not for one minute blaming WISA for organising the aggressive demonstrations but I feel that WISA silence sometimes made it look as if it was encouraged. Once again thanks for your replies, I may or may not be able to attend the meeting but I will if it is possible. So once again I will ask are there any thoughts on that the Scottish story may have any bearing on our position?
TW
- Monday, May 13, 2002 at 02:38:34 (PDT)
TW - I know you probably don't want to believe BW over this, but to give you an idea of how WISA has changed since you've left, I'll tell you this : at the next AGM, I'm standing for the General Committee, which is something I'd never consider doing. I'm no buttkisser (that's my manifesto in 3 words..) and I'm certainly no apologist, but it's more vital than ever that there are strong representation groups of supporters. We could have done with them big time from 1990 onwards, just be thankful they're there for you to have a go at. Otherwise Koppout would have been halfway up the M1 by now laughing his little swivly eyes at all of us..
REPD (repd@repd.net)
SM4, - Monday, May 13, 2002 at 01:30:20 (PDT)
TW - tell you what, how about you come along to the WISA AGM on May 30th? Just one meeting, just one night out of your life. Come along with an open mind, and if what you see and hear there is a WISA no different from the one you left, then fair enough, don't rejoin.
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
Croydon, - Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 23:13:34 (PDT)
TW, you want people to be polite and you start off by calling me a tosser? I am glad you wrote your letters but the time WISA were advising people not to write letters was when the process (ie: the commission) had not yet been decided (by the League), which was some time ago. It was a case of directing people at the right time. Now look at what the fans - including you - have unleashed on the FA. It's brilliant. Another point is that 'LL' - I presume you mean Lawrence Lowne - is not WISA. He helped to start it but he is just one of the Exec., one of the Gen. Committee and one member of WISA. We have a constiution that governs the organisation fairly and gives equal voice to any member.
I'm sorry you felt you had to leave WISA, but WISA is a very different - and more organised group - than the one I joined last August, I wouldn't have got so involved if I felt it was a lost cause. Finally, your last words were "Let's see if you can can be constructive without being rude. Over to you." I hope that response is satisfactory.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 15:20:39 (PDT)
You can always rely on Paul's site for some 'Juicy' debate. ;-) Paul - that statistic doesn't surprise me. It's not so bad for Hearts or Hibs, as they get about 10-12K on most games then 16 or so for when the Weegies visit. But for clubs like Motherwell or Killie; they make our gates look pretty respectable! By the way, TW, I despair.
Edinburgh Don
- Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 13:20:52 (PDT)
That should of course say PRESENT a united front ....
Rich
Earlsfield, - Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 12:27:41 (PDT)
TW:To be honest i am amazed there are still people such as yourself willing to put petty personal differences ahead of the continued existence of our football club. Surely you can see that if we are to have any chance whatsoever of beating Koppel this week we have to prevent a united front. WISA provide that. So just for one week lets put the second agenda`s to bed. We are all on the same side, lets behave like it!
Rich
Earlsfield, - Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 12:25:44 (PDT)
Cmon guys we only have until Monday evening to get them faxes off to Adam Crozier 020 7287 5397
Wibbly Don
- Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 11:34:46 (PDT)
Paul, I tried but the nature of my posts were deemed 'too graphic' by the moderators. I must say that it keeps me awake at night, THE FRUITS ARE TAKING OVER! SoS, at least I post under real name, stop hiding behind a stupid pseudonym! Tell me who you are so I can take your points seriously. And Paul, would you like me to stop now?!
Nick
- Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 11:18:00 (PDT)
Okay that's enough now. It was silly in the first place. Besides, it's quite obvious that the Water Melon was acting on its own, without the backing of the other segments. VIVA LA RESISTANCE!
SoS
- Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 11:14:50 (PDT)
Oi Draper Junior - you got lost on a choice of forum have you go and discuss it on a WWE site or something!! :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 11:09:59 (PDT)
As it happens, I once had a similar incident, many moons ago back in Naam. It was with a vicious slice of water melon, which decided to surprise by coming from behind. After I dealt with the little blighter, I realised that the liquid that fell from it was badly affecting my asthma, and as I lay on the floor gasping for breathe, his mates decided to run in, steal my wallet and leave their calling card. Dangerous things, water melons.
Nick (nick.draper@tinyworld.co.uk)
- Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 10:58:51 (PDT)
Can't say _I_ have. However a friend of mine did and the poisonous gasses that leapt forth from the wounded produce of nature served to incapacitate him for enough time that the blackberry could steal his lunch money.
SoS
USA - Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 10:55:23 (PDT)
SOS, I said Pineapple 'Fishing', not 'Hunting'. It is a totally harmless, fun-filled pastime enjoyed by millions. Please read what I say before having a go! Especially seeing as GS is far more dangerous, harmful to the fruit in question and just darn unfair. That being said, I don't mind Blackberry Shooting. Ever tried it??
Nick (nick.draper@tinyworld.co.uk)
- Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 10:52:35 (PDT)
Well Nick, I have to say that I have considered the merits of PF, but I think it is unfair to the humble pineapple that we should hunt them for sport. What about Grapefruit snaring?
Shower o' shite
- Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 10:49:39 (PDT)
ED - Heard a stat of 75% of most clubs total attendances come from the 4 home games against the old firm clubs.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 10:44:31 (PDT)
Pineapple Fishing. Yes or No?
Nick (nick.draper@tinyworld.co.uk)
- Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 10:38:18 (PDT)
Paul, thanks for your answer, and thanks to Ed Don. But Brighton Womble (sorry Paul) you're still a first class tosser! Read and think what others are saying. I have written my letters, in spite of you telling me that WISA said I shouldn't. You see the big problem is that LL still thinks he knows best. Coming from a front wheel that travels by car and pays money to watch a Saturday game, that's rich. I left WISA because they get carried away with the power of leading lemins and refuse to accept that others have a little self brainpower. So here I am set up-- waiting for the followers to have a pop. Ok, go for it! Let's see if you can can be constructive without being rude. Over to you.
TW
- Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 10:27:14 (PDT)
Brighton - my comments also applied to you to get off your high horse. Had a few replies from a round robin e-mail I sent out. Supporters of 7 other teams have written or faxed the FA for us over the weekend, more will do tomorrow. Any support we can get is good. Paul - trust me - the Scottish clubs are playing brinkmanship. Have you seen the average crowds for games not involving the old firm?
Edinburgh Don
- Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 09:48:12 (PDT)
TW - Seems that this denial may now be being retracted as some sort of meeting took place at the home of Keith Harris in the week. I dont think that the other scottish clubs are that bothered due to the fact that they have given notice of resigning one plan I have heard of is that the 4 divisions are merged into 2 of 20 giving more competition. Once again although the meeting is starting on Tuesday it looks like it could well be end of the month before it is known if it's been thrown out or not.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 08:21:23 (PDT)
The BBC exclusive on the possible invitation to the Glasgow clubs is worrying. Although it has been denied by both the F.A and the S.F.A it may be one of those "toe in the water" leaks. The type politicians favour that are denied before being implemented some few months later, when the original fuss has died down. Of course it looks completely unrelated to our problems but is it? This,true or otherwise, just highlights the way the game is heading. Who would make way for them? What about the income of the other Scottish Premier Clubs? Again it is another possible precedent which has implications that may create a bearing on any decision made this week on our club. At the moment, and this is only my opinion, I'm afraid the it will be sent back to the League with the FA suggesting that they (the FA) have no reason to prevent the move. And if that happens I'm concerned that the League will give in. Only my thoughts but worrying ones considering only a short while back I was confident of this going nowhere. Any other thoughts on both our present situation or the Scottish story?
TW
- Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 05:46:54 (PDT)
TW, you just proved what I said. Challenge our 'methods' but do it constructively. How hard is that?
Brighton Womble
- Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 04:58:09 (PDT)
Ed Don, you are so right! We all must pause for a moment and reflect on the loss of a true sportsman. Stanley was a funny old sod but he always remained true to the spirit of sport, a true Corithian. Football will only lose by his passing. Whatever happens next week it cannot compare to the sportsmanship shown by "Our Stanley."
TW
- Saturday, May 11, 2002 at 09:24:32 (PDT)
Agree with some of the last posts - time to sit bitching at eachother has long gone. Let's pack it in - just for a few days? Time is running very low now, boys and girls. Over on the Wisa site there is the contact details for Crozier at the FA. If you haven't yet written - please go there, get the details and write - it's not too late as a fax number is on there too. E-mail everyone with these details as well. We have just heard of the passing of Stanley - a TRUE man of our club. Like many others - I will always fondly recall him trudging over to the away section to get the singing started. What better way to respect his memory than to get working and try to save his club?
Edinburgh Don
- Saturday, May 11, 2002 at 05:41:34 (PDT)
R.I.P. Stanley. I will always remember you for your pre-match walkabouts and especially Bolton in 96/97 on a freezing January night. You came to us on the away terrace and cheered us all up with your umpiring skills once more.
Chris Draper (tfi2@hotmail.com)
- Saturday, May 11, 2002 at 01:29:51 (PDT)
Brighton Womble, you're at it again! Talking down to people. Now you are asking everbody what they're doing, yet a little while back you were saying don't write, do this, don't do that. I remember saying I'll do what I think is right not matter what anyone else tries to tell me. Get off your hobby horse and try to human, for once. This is about Wimbledon, YES, but MORE about football in general. Encourage others rather than talking down to them. I agree with your aims but not your methods. Join in and discuss then you won't upset people. Go over your last post and see how pompous you seem. I'm sure you don't mean to be but that's how you come across. We're all in this together so let's stop the I and bring in the We and Us.
TW
- Friday, May 10, 2002 at 13:35:15 (PDT)
Rather than wasting everybodys time and instead of slagging of WISA at every turn why dont all you doubters do something positive just for few days, we only have until Tuesday so get writing to all and sundry and help to fight the cancer that is Charlie boy or are you of the pro MK brigade, Danny etc
Wibbly Don
- Friday, May 10, 2002 at 12:52:26 (PDT)
Have any of you any idea how disheartening coming on this site can sometimes be? WISA - its membership and committee, most of who have jobs to do and work hard to save their club, get little more than a good slagging off from some of the people who post here.
I have never and would never be in favour of somehow supressing different points of view, even if I could, but I do wonder just how many of you snipers actually do anything other than post here slating the campaign. There is always a slightly different angle to take on any campaign like this but people like you, 'Seemingly knowing nothing', come and take part if you have a different approach. Besides, half the battle in a campaign such as this is to spin better than the opposition. Besides, if we've got the £20 000 a day figure wrong, why don't the club publish their accounts? Then the point can finally be settled. And why don't they? Because it suits their spin machine not to.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
We need helpers. Any of you out there who want to offer just email me., - Friday, May 10, 2002 at 11:40:52 (PDT)
Good question. I don't know the figure, but I know people who do. Anyway in my experience a "top" PR firm costs that sort of money, and surely you don't think Brunswick are cheap/doing it for the fun of it? I think we all hope the club will *finally* release the accounts for 2000/01 soon so we can know exactly what the situation is (the figures the directors/chairman are legally responsible for) BTW WFC has *already* been fined for late submission of their accounts (due 30/4/02)
Martin D
- Friday, May 10, 2002 at 06:29:59 (PDT)
Sorry but I think there is one arguement that WISA argue themselves out of. If CK cannot prove that WFC are losing £20,000 a day by not publishing their accounts, how can people such as yourself MD talk about how much the club are spending on a PR company?
Seemingly Knowing Nothing
- Friday, May 10, 2002 at 05:54:56 (PDT)
There are too many people on here who either know absolutely nothing about what is going on with WISA/WFC/DT etc. and are doing nothing to prevent this outrageous rape of our club or have massive vested interests in the current management and set-up within WFC. Terry Burton spoke out AGAINST Milton Keynes. Terry Burton was immediately sacked and a very feeble reason given that didn't stand up to even the smallest investigation. I don't care much if people choose to work for or with the club, but on a public internet guest book I see no reason that their position should not be challenged. As for WISA spin, just imagine how much they could manage with a £500k a year PR company to help them?
Martin D
- Friday, May 10, 2002 at 04:46:52 (PDT)
Danny - more than happy to listen to your positive ideas as to what Wimbledon fans should be doing to save our club. Fire away.
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
London, - Friday, May 10, 2002 at 04:40:44 (PDT)
Quel Surprise: Good Grief!
What an astoundingly original question!
Did it take you long working out that one with your junior scrabble tiles?
As has been said before, I'd rather have real dons fans working in the shop than some faceless, apathetic nobodies, which is what we'd end up with if they left!
Amazed Don
- Friday, May 10, 2002 at 04:28:44 (PDT)
Danny - why post something like that - what good will that do? you are either pro MK or just trying to provoke a reaction. Speaking of spin does it not make you angry whenever you read something that Koppel has said or spun? what's wrong with fighting fire with fire? (and what do you think WISA are spinning?) who's side are you on? Ralph, I think the biggest arguement against the owners is what they took on when they bought the club (i.e. a PL club capable of making a small/decent profit) vs what the club is now, (i.e. a first division club in turmoil who is supposedly losing £20K a week) they got themselves into most of the mess we are in. BTW as stated a couple of days ago WFC has brought in MORE money in transfers than ANY Nationwide club in the last 2 years (and possibly ever?), we have also earned the most money from TV, add to that the fact that our average attendance is amongst the top 30 outside the PL and you will see why some people (me included) don't agree with all this no money crap and won't until we see evidence (which has not been forthcoming has it)
Hutch
- Friday, May 10, 2002 at 03:42:20 (PDT)
It's a good point - what the hell has it got to do with any of us as to what these guys are doing? I was ashamed the other day when, at the first official meeting of TH DT after the launch (which I attended), I noticed that there is a bloke there who claims he still works for the club (greying hair - Puma top w/no sponser IIRC) and wants to help the DT also - how come he gets not one word said against him?
Robert Paulson
He asks a question- he'll get no answer, - Friday, May 10, 2002 at 03:36:34 (PDT)
Oh for Gods sake. The person who asks Paul for a response should remember that Paul is at work (yes, he has a JOB). But then, if you knew him, you'd know that. In fact, if you knew him, you wouldn't have to ask that sort of question at all.
Getting even more Extremely Pissed Off Don
- Friday, May 10, 2002 at 03:33:22 (PDT)
Danny Chapman - Agree totally with your first sentence, but then you go on to make yourself look like a bit of a to*ser! 1) Ask most of the Arsenal old boys who Terry Burton is! They'll tell u! He is well respected in the game, just because a couple of your Chelsea or West Ham mates dont know him doesn't mean anything! He done an amazing job with us considering all the sh*t he had to put up with. And if u think he was sacked for footballing reasons then u really have to sit down and have a word with yourself! 2) I am not a member of WISA but I think they are doing a great job. It is just one representative but they are the only people who can be bothered to do something about the murder of our club. You sound like your quite happy for us to go to MK so I suggest you just f*ck off and go back to your Palace web-sites because none of us are interested mate! 3) Even if Wisa are producing laughable spin (which I dont think they do) I think Koppell wins hands down on the spin side of things, wouldnt u agree??
jamie
- Friday, May 10, 2002 at 03:32:11 (PDT)
Paul you need t sort this refresh button out. DC what is your problem????? there is nought wrong with spin if it works in the fans favour.
Ralph Malph
- Friday, May 10, 2002 at 03:15:03 (PDT)
TRH - with all the financial trouble in the game at the minute it amazes me you still can't work out how they club is skint. They have no fcuking money coming in from anywhere, the boycotts have obviously worked (still not sure if it is good or bad), but at the end of the day why should the owners keep ploughing money in? It is a business and if your business is haemoragging money and you will never turn the losses around what is the only option - close it down. That is what is facing us at the minute. I applaud the DT but they will never be able to sustain the football club for 7 days, let alone a season. Look at Lincoln they are in loads of trouble and a fan run club, does anyone honestly beleive the fans of WFC can sustain a professional football club? If i had the cash I would buy and allow the fans to help me run it.
Ralph Malph
- Friday, May 10, 2002 at 03:13:30 (PDT)
Paul nice to see as always there are spineless tossers on your site, god they bore me. Questions; Who exactly are the chairman that are against MK and how do WISA know? Since when has Terry Burton been one of the most respected men in football? (ask any fan outside of London and they'll do a Lard impression.. whooooooooooooo) And 1 representative from a football club does not mean the majority of football fans are against mk. I know loads of london fans who want the dons to move. Again WISA is producing laughable spin that looks like causing more harm than good.
Danny Chapman
- Friday, May 10, 2002 at 03:05:22 (PDT)
And if you ever consider yoursleves as loyal, just look at your record. your'e still employed by Koppel. Traitors. Come on, Paul, what's you're answer (yawn).
Quel Surprise
Of course I'.m not leaving my goddam name., - Thursday, May 09, 2002 at 17:05:16 (PDT)
Question - when are club shop employees gonna stop working for the club killer?
Quel Surprise
When the rest of the supporters that care have won. You're traitors Raymond, Deacons, Draper. Club shop = no conscience., - Thursday, May 09, 2002 at 16:58:54 (PDT)
It's always reassuring to see, in the face of the clubs biggest crisis, that some people seem to think that having a dig at other fans will help.
Well done Martin D, you're an example to us all!
AmazedDon (Getting very bored with the sniping and in-fighting...)
- Thursday, May 09, 2002 at 16:24:17 (PDT)
Everyone, Always look on the bright side of life.
Steve (stewomble4@aol.com)
Walsall, England - Thursday, May 09, 2002 at 15:10:29 (PDT)
Someone please explain to me how having, and paying, so many peripheral staff is justified in the awful financial crisis we, and every other Nationwide club, is facing?
Martin D
- Thursday, May 09, 2002 at 10:33:10 (PDT)
Jamie - Here, Here (that goes for stewards too!)
Very Pissed Off Don
- Thursday, May 09, 2002 at 06:19:39 (PDT)
Edinburgh Don - When they resign ;0). Seriously though, it is quite a boring subject that shouldn't keep on coming back all the time! If Deacons, Raymond and Draper want to work for the Club Shop then why shouldn't they? Its there lifes, let them get on with it! I for one and quite glad we have Wimbledon fans working in there as opposed to Palace scum, etc.!
Jamie
- Thursday, May 09, 2002 at 05:27:18 (PDT)
Question: When are people going to stop going over this tedious subject?
Edinburgh Don
- Thursday, May 09, 2002 at 05:22:29 (PDT)
Question - when are club shop employees gonna stop working for the club killer?
maddon (maddon@cwctv.net)
London, England - Thursday, May 09, 2002 at 02:51:51 (PDT)
VPOD - agree, we could be and probably are in trouble, however without seeing the finances does anyone except Koppell know the extent of the situation? I think their are two different arguements going on here, on the one hand there are those saying the club has been run so poorly we have largely contributed to our own financial problems (I totally agree), then there is the other point which is saying no matter what has gone on before we are in big trouble now! the only way out of this trouble is for Koppell to be ousted and to have the fans, the staff, the players, the board all pulling in the same direction - if/when Koppell has gone we will have a chance to start again, with him in charge he has proven their is no chance for WFC, our WFC
Hutch
- Thursday, May 09, 2002 at 02:40:15 (PDT)
Martin D - got NO idea what you're chatting about there fella, the death of our club would affect everyone who supports them surely? Or are you inferring I work at WFC?!?!? Unlikely - like I told you, my mate is a steward, and that's about as close as I get. All the others I'll repeat what I said before (and as Kris backed me up) we ALL are in trouble and it's all well and good you lot going on about the past and how badly this or that was done, but I'm afraid it's the here and now that matters. The Real Hash - okay, you've given me some examples of funding, fine. But I still say that now all that money has dried up (NO Sky money next year, NO ITV (and is there a replacement?) money, worse attendences (and whatever spin CK puts on it, it still would appear to your common or garden fan that next season no-one cares) etc., etc., . I forsee bad times ahead (alright worse times...!)
Very Pissed Off Don
Quick poll : What would you do when the club is dead?, - Thursday, May 09, 2002 at 02:00:28 (PDT)
VPOD- what are they paid for with? quite a few things actually- Sky Parachute payments for two years, SKY tv money last year, ITV money this year, player sales (£25 million), maximuscle money (500k), Tiny money last year (which was more than 500k as the deal was done while we were still in the prem). There u have it.
The Real Hash
- Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 13:18:30 (PDT)
Yes, football is in a lot of trouble financially. Yes it needs sorting out. No we can't afford the players we have on the wages we are currently paying them. Yes if the club were being run by people who gave a damn about it we would either be selling players or renegotiating contracts, or both. And yes, it's something we really do need to consider properly - once we've got rid of the man who is knowingly and deliberately trying to kill our club.
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
London, - Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 10:20:27 (PDT)
WISA needs you to get friends, relatives and work colleagues to write and fax to the FA. YOu can send, Emails, but the most effective way of getting the message across is through a letter or fax. All the details are on the WISA News frontpage - http://www.wisa.org.uk
Kevin Rye, WISA Taskmaster (brightonwomble@wisa.org.uk)
Mail me if you've got any skills to offer WISA, - Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 08:32:58 (PDT)
VPOD, the only one getting upset here is you. We all know we are losing money, however, unlike you, I do like to see actual PROOF rather than figures bandied about by someone with a not very well-hidden agenda. You produce a huge list of all those who WFC has to pay and I say to you that the day is coming very soon when all those wonderful - yet peripheral - employees and functions will be dispensed with. If it means we can survive as a football club then I would sack the lot of them tomorrow. Somehow I feel that that would directly affect you personally though.
Martin D
- Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 07:52:14 (PDT)
Please tell me if it was possible for us to still get into the play-offs AFTER losing to Grimsby? Then tell me why we loaned Norwich their match-winner back in December, or maybe why we loaned Hughes out long before the Grimsby game.
Martin D (Now who is the blinkered one?)
- Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 07:48:01 (PDT)
VPOD - we all know that football clubs are in financial trouble, we can only speculate as to how bad the situation is at WFC, but as far as WFC go we have gained more money from TV and certainly brought in more from player sales than all the other clubs in the Nationwide Leagues, the Nogs bought a club with a small fanbase and have done nothing to improve this, an avaerage of 7000 puts us in the top 30 outside of the PL (not an amazing fact but it is often overlooked), I make it we lose app £200k a match on our PL gate receipts (£4m a year) who was in charge of the club when we went down? most if not all other clubs have youth teams, lots of staff etc and the reason why we make little/no money from programme sales/merchandise is? since we were relegated the club has been run in a terrible way (the fact that we had a 1st team squad touching 40 proved this). why should we as fans suffer as a result of inept management? also why was TB allowed to sign 5 players (including 2 internationals - one earning £18k a week) last season if things were so bad?
Hutch
- Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 07:46:22 (PDT)
"No players will be sold while the play-offs remain a possibility", - Before the Grimsby Game. Then after a 6-2 thrashing by said relegation possibilities............
The Unblinkered Truth
- Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 06:42:31 (PDT)
Oh, yes sorry, I forgot - DID YOU SEE ME SAY I BELIEVE EVERYTHING HE SAYS? For crying out loud this is how arguements start. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT BELIEVING EVERYTHING HE SAYS. But if YOU can't see that this club and , indeed, football as A WHOLE is in a serious amount of the brown stuff then there is no point having this conversation. But I will say this. People continually point out that we have sold £25m worth of players. Well yes, we did. Right now this is going to get complicated.....A £6m player sale with healthy gate reciepts on top and good merch. sales meant that we could survive fo a season in the premier league. Now, we are having to survive PURELY on player sales. There is BUGGER ALL money coming in from gate reciepts (Our season ticket sales : 3,700x (rough average) £250 = £925,000 and our average was what, 7,000? - no great shakes) and we have 1st team, reserves, "other" squad members, U19, U17, U15/U16, U14, U13, U12, U11, U10, U9, U8, Womens team, Girls Centre of excellence, Disabled team, Admin staff, Training ground staff, FITC, Team Coaches, Matchday Staff (yes they ARE paid by WImbledon, my best mate's a steward), Travelling staff (coach to away games for ALL the teams listed above), Catering staff at RE, Kit staff ALL of which we have to pay for.What do you THINK they're all paid with, Scotch Bleedin' Mist? Now stop insulting me and have a bloody disscussion about it.
Very Pissed off Don
Sorry webmaster!, - Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 06:40:02 (PDT)
VPOD - as someone else said there is not one reason to believe anything that CK has said, I will continue to not believe ANYTHING he says unless of course he comes out with something like, "I am a complete c**t, who deserves no place in football or any other industry"
Hutch
- Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 03:10:46 (PDT)
"We will investigate every site working outwards from Plough Lane"
Economical with the truth (naive.com)
- Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 02:49:57 (PDT)
"No players will be sold while the play-offs remain a possibility", "Kevin Cooper is a key part of the manager's plans"
The whole truth (naive.com)
- Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 02:47:04 (PDT)
"We have conducted a feasibility study on the Greyhound Stadium", "our planning experts say that the Plough Lane site is not feasible"
Koppel never lies (naive.com)
- Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 02:45:26 (PDT)
"Terry Burton has been relieved of his duties because results haven't been good enough on the pitch"
Let's all trust Koppel (Naive.com)
- Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 02:44:12 (PDT)
VPOD, yes it is tiresome. Feel free to believe everything he says, after all he has never lied at all has he? I'd love to sell you double-glazing as you seem completely incapable of spotting a complete charlatan when you see and hear one. Has Koppel showed you ANY evidence to back up ANY of his claims because he hasn't shown me any.
Martin D (Every one is a pissed off Don mate)
- Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 02:41:55 (PDT)
Hutch - The whole "Don't trust a word he says" is becoming tiresome imho. He's got a point (again imo), did you watch the Alan Hansen documentary last night? Is he lying (sp?)too?
Very Pissed Off Don
- Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 02:36:16 (PDT)
Hutch - The whole "Don't trust a word he says" is becoming tiresome imho. He's got a point (again imo), did you watch the Alan Hansen documentary last night? Is he wrong too?
Very Pissed Off Don
- Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 02:36:02 (PDT)
Dear all. If you know of anyone (children,schools,companies etc) that will be affected if the Football In The Community ends, please get their comments and pass them onto me at this addy ASAP; graemeboulton@hotmail.com
Grazy (graemeboulton@hotmail.com)
Lower Morden, - Wednesday, May 08, 2002 at 01:59:08 (PDT)
And I'm normally so careful with my typing on this site - must be tired.
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
london, - Tuesday, May 07, 2002 at 15:28:29 (PDT)
It isn't true to say that accounts for WFC Ltd *cannot* be published. There is nothing in copmpany law stopping the Board publishing draft accounts if it wants to. It doesn't want ot, we will all draw our own conclusions.
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
london, - Tuesday, May 07, 2002 at 15:25:04 (PDT)
Forgot to say, Do I Not Know That is on ITV Sport
Mags (mags_h@hotmail.com)
- Tuesday, May 07, 2002 at 09:19:25 (PDT)
'Do I Not Know That' - Wimbledon quiz team semi final against West Brom and Man Utd will be shown at 10pm on Thursday. The finals of the quiz (8 rounds) will be shown at 6pm (part1) and 10pm (part2) on Friday evening. Repeats of the final will be shown at 1130 and midnight. The channel closes on the 11th.
Mags (mags_h@hotmail.com)
London, - Tuesday, May 07, 2002 at 09:17:36 (PDT)
Don't worry there will still be Koppell out signs everywhere! I'll make sure of that!!
Jay
- Tuesday, May 07, 2002 at 08:32:37 (PDT)
It might be avery good idea to let people that Wimbledons Football aid Team take on Crystal Palace Tommorow.I was trying to find out if tickets could be bought for fans but unfortunately none are availabe due to security reasons.
perry greenblatt (pgreenblatt@orange.net)
london, england - Tuesday, May 07, 2002 at 06:51:54 (PDT)
Very pissed off - thanks for totally proving my point i.e "CK announced accounts COULD NOT be published until funding for the season was assured" the mere mention of his name unquestionably proves my point (my point was I don't believe a word he says) my other point was bad management has taken a club from the PL to near administration (supposedly) within a couple of years - why has this been allowed to happen?
Hutch
- Tuesday, May 07, 2002 at 05:19:27 (PDT)
Hutch - other people on here have said why the accounts have not been published (OWFF meeting on 21st April- CK announced accounts COULD NOT be published until funding for the season was assured (or some similar wordage)) Oh and no other examples? Crystal Palace (1998 Premier League team, 2000, CPFC trading name changed to Crystal Palace 2000 following period in administration), which I think IS a valid point
Very Pissed Off Don
- Tuesday, May 07, 2002 at 05:07:42 (PDT)
Stu - I know it was Friday but I have to ask why you posted "Hutch, please read Kris's comments and you will see that they are similar to what I have been saying, but hey what a suprise you keep quiet when the top man speaks" please don't suggest that I can't think/speak for myself but you can tell me how I will stay on the web whilst on the tube going home? - my point was and still is we have not seen the clubs accounts (why?) and until we do I will not believe a word of what CK says, we probably are in financial trouble but does a well managed club fall from the top flight and go into administration 2 years later? (no comparisons with other clubs needed)
Hutch
- Tuesday, May 07, 2002 at 04:00:45 (PDT)
CHANGE OF CONTACT DETAILS. IF YOU HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE WFC FOOTBALL IN THE COMMUNITY SCHEME, PLEASE CONTACT graemeboulton@hotmail.com
KEVIN RYE
WISA Taskmaster, - Tuesday, May 07, 2002 at 03:35:14 (PDT)
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KEVIN RYE
WISA Taskmaster, - Tuesday, May 07, 2002 at 03:27:18 (PDT)
Robert, can you get some comments on what he has gained from Football in the Community and how terrible it would be if it got taken away please mate and email them to me.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
Kevin Rye - WISA Taskmaster, - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 10:47:00 (PDT)
Council Leaders are voted in (as far as I recall) by the governing party and mayors by the whole council. As Ronan rightly says, the mayor is totally non-political for his/her year of tenure, to the point where s/he is not allowed to vote on council matters.
Brighton Womble
- Monday, May 06, 2002 at 10:40:56 (PDT)
Ronan - Cheers for that very helpful. Bit to much information on the first choice of mayor!! Also thought you were making a comment about the ex mayor's size when you commented about his position not having a much weight.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, May 06, 2002 at 02:23:08 (PDT)
Paul - re: Andrew Judge. Leader of the council is an elected position within the party, just like Prime Minister, so unless someone else within the Labour party challenges him, it's safe to assume he will still do the job. Pickover has lost his job however - but as we know that position doesn't hold as much weight as the person who (helps) make the council policies. Not sure how the mayor is elected - but I assume it's the same way as Leader of the COuncil. Pickover was a second choice coz the original mayor was jailed for playing with young children.
Ronan
- Monday, May 06, 2002 at 00:37:52 (PDT)
Stuart - regarding the survery, I'm not suggesting a quarter of million people will buy season tickets, but simply that the poll shows there is great interest in the catchment area for Wimbledon to return home. The 6% is for people who would attend on a regular basis - it does not include the people who would go to 10 or less games a year, and those who would go to the odd one. The simple fact remains what if hundreds of thousands of people would be interested in seeing us play at home, I don't think we will have a problem finding 20k. Why don't they go to Selhurst? For the same reason we don't like going there. It's a pain in the arse to get to, it's a shithole, and it has no connection with the local community. Don't forget Koppel also did a survey, (although not as extensive as our one), and got the same results. Funny he didn't publish it!
Ronan
- Monday, May 06, 2002 at 00:34:53 (PDT)
TRH, sorry but keeping inferring only a fool would see this or that means you are ignoring the hard facts.As Stuart says it's easy for anyone to say yes in a survey but when it comes down to action that is another matter.If we get an extra 2k back in Merton I would be very surprised and that is not enough to support an average 2nd div side let alone a 1st div side. As I have said before by the time we get back to Merton all the decent players would have long gone and we will be struggling in a lower div. How do you think that will attract new fans? People will not support an average /struggling side even if it is their local team.It's no good saying we will become everyone's second team. What happens when fixtures clash or they go and watch their team play away. We need our own fan base to move forward it's no good relying on fans coming along because their own team is not playing.How many people do you know who support two local league teams? We didn't get any where near 9k when we left PL so I don't know why we would get higher crowds in a lower division than the one we left.If the club went into administration where would we go from there.As someone said the Dons Trust could not get involved even if the club was sold for say £1.The Nogs would have sold off all the players that would command a price as they would hardly let the new owners sell players immediately and make a profit. So no players and no reasonable revenue coming in to keep the club going.So put up admission prices I hear you say.That will not attract new fans. If you think I'm talking rubbish just think of this. I live near Swindon who all should know of their financial problems. Last season was average to say the least but they have been forced to put up admission prices to £21.Result fans who have not gone for a couple of years will certainly now not be going back( fact) and more EXISTING fans walk away.I truly wish I am wrong and look forward to the day I am sitting in a new stadium at PL along with 15k others.
wiltshire don
- Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 14:29:01 (PDT)
Question regarding Merton Council - Will Andrew Judge still be leader of the council after he only came 3rd in his ward? The reason I ask this is that otherwise we will have to be dealing with a new leader and mayor. - Also regarding the club going into administration if this happened there is no way that the Dons Trust could buy the club on its own it's going to need some very very rich people with the trust playing it's part but there is no way that the trust could run a division one club.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 11:36:42 (PDT)
Rob- ofcoarse we are losing money right now. That is a fact. How much oney we are losing, and whether or not we are actually in debt is another issue all together (when u bear in mind that we have sold £25 million in players and received parachute money, ITV money, SKY money from last season, TINY money from last season, Maxiwank money from this season and ST sales/match day sales in the last 2 years). As for your comment about what is happening at PL. You say that the only thing that has happened is that WISA have proven that a stadium can fit on the site?!?!? WTF? er, no mate. A lot more than that has been done. WISA/The dons trust are working together with Merton council and are putting together a consortium to build a stadium on PL. That is a lot more than simply proving that a stadium can be built there. And I do hope that we go into administration. Firstly that would mean the Nogs/Koppel get the hell out. Secondly it would be the perfect opportunity for The Dons Trust. Thirdly a lot of clubs come out of admin stronger, e.g. Palarse. Administration might actually be the best thing to happen to this club in a long time. We have an aim to get back to PL. Ofcoarse there are barriers on the way. Only a fool would say there are no barriers. But none of these barriers are insumountable. They can all be overcome. They will not be overcome, however, by people like you pouring cold water on everything. They will be overcome if we explore ways of overcoming them.
The Real Hash
- Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 11:17:58 (PDT)
For crying out loud, all you guys talk about is If's But's and Maybe's. I'm going to run with my "Are's" - We ARE losing money - We ARE going to go into administration at this rate - We ARE going to have to swallow our pride and get moving if we think that Plough Lane is feasilble (don't forget, all that has been done so far is that proof has been provided that a stadia will fit) - We ARE relying on a survey which is not conv=clusive (it's all well and good saying "18,000 will go", what's important is the two roads that lie alongside the current plot - USE FULHAM AS YOUR EXAMPLE - AND A STADIUM IS ALREADY THERE!!), we ARE relying on the fact that Safeway will sell. We would need to start addressing _THESE_ problems before we moot the points regarding attendance. BW, my brothers' boy goes to FITC, but does not have an e-mail. What's up?
Robert Paulson
- Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 10:06:55 (PDT)
Stuart, I think that you have to look at the support as a realist, Foolam, Spurz and Celsi are all starting to price themselves out of the familly man with 2 kids scenario far to expensive, If we could keep our prices realistic as they are at the moment especially with the strong rumours that Celtic and Rangers will soon be joining the 1st Division what an oppertunity to pull lots more support and I disagree with you regards the ICM poll IMHO I feel that the poll is a good guidline to what can be achieved and that there will not be a better time to return the Dons to Plough lane, like TRH, I have friends who would certainly come to Plough Lane with Wimbledon being their 2nd team
Wibbly Don
- Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 07:54:38 (PDT)
ANYONE OUT THERE WHOSE KIDS USE THE FOOTBALL IN THE COMMUNITY SCHEME. PLEASE GET IN TOUCH WITH ME, URGENTLY.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com )
- Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 06:37:12 (PDT)
ALL NORWEGIAN SUPPORTERS, PLEASE CONTACT ME NOW! Got a big favour to ask. Please contact me on my email addy. Thanks.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com )
- Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 05:03:02 (PDT)
Stu - Your comment "Its like going in to the bar and saying 'whose round first' you notice how everyone tries to get to the back of the queue!!!" I think it because your mates with CD everyone else always buys rounds he always just does a runner or says I aint got any money :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 03:13:41 (PDT)
12-15k in this division obviously, and in time, once the club has reached stability, I'm sure we can get 18k in this division, and sell out every week in the prem
The Real Hash
- Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 02:45:52 (PDT)
Stu- I agree with what u r saying, and that is why I said 'i am not for one minute saying we will get 20k plus, but 12-15k is not unrealistic'. I definitely think that we will sell out first game (after that it would be a matter of persuading people to come back). As for your comment about why they dont come to selhurst. Why would they? Its not their local club as we play in SE London, Selhurst is quite difficult to get to, the owners are hell bent on killing the club so why should they waste money on something that is gonna dissapear in a couple of months? I asked aa Chelsea fan (who lives in Wimbledon) who I spoke to a few weeks back,if he would come to see wimbledon play at PL. his rely was that he would definitely see us as his second team and would come to see us play regularly, but that he would never go to crystal palace or milton keynes.
The Real Hash
- Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 02:44:26 (PDT)
TRH, Ronan, I dont mean to be a pain in the arse, but no matter how sucessful the survey was, I still have serious doubts as to how many of those 18000 would come to PL. Even as you say it was a 6% of the catchment area, I think it is easy to say 'oh yeah, I would come to watch them' and then see them put thier hands in their pockets. Why cant they come now to watch the team. Selhurst isnt that far away, If you want to see fooball, you make the effort to go. I have many mates in my erea that say they will come to a game, then say only if you can get them in for free!!!! When you ask someone to get thier money out of their pocket, it is amazing how thier responce changes. Its like going in to the bar and saying 'whose round first' you notice how everyone tries to get to the back of the queue!!! Im am not for one minute slaging of WISA for the survey, I am just saying that I dont think it is as clear cut.
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 01:42:57 (PDT)
RH - IIRC it was 6% of the whole catchment area (4m) would attend on a regular basis, so we can expect 240,000.
Ronan
- Sunday, May 05, 2002 at 01:28:00 (PDT)
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