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wiltshire don- back at Merton our attendances will not be the same as they are now. Any fool would know that. The ICM poll showed 18k from merton alone, leaving out people like me who live in kingston, which would make it potentialy 20k plus. Now I am not saying we will get 20k plus, what I am saying is that 12-15k in the first division is not unrealistic. Especially since we will be the local team. I have spoken to many people, who live in wimbledon, support other clubs, and would come to see wimbledon play at PL as their second team.
The Real Hash
- Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 12:26:57 (PDT)
Been reading some of the recent postings with interest.I think it's all irrelevant really.With the current owners we will NEVER go back to Merton so income/outgoings don't matter. Even back in Merton the support will not be enough to support a decent 2nd div side in these times let alone a 1st div side. So lower down the divisions we go the harder it will be to attract people back.Therefore going back to previous emails if football is to be run like a business Merton is out of the question. As far as MK is concerned as a number of people have said previously it's all about a business deal with the football side just been necessary baggage which will be thrown on one side down the line. Even if anyone was tempted to go to MK by the time the club moved there, I'm sure most of the current squad would be no more so there would be nothing to associate it with WFC.Me, I can see myself supporting my local non league side next season which has just been promoted to the Doc Martens league and you will never guess what... the better players want more money or are threatening to leave. Makes you wonder why we bother!
wiltshire don
- Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 01:08:51 (PDT)
Hutch, please read Kris's comments and you will see that they are similar to what I have been saying, but hey what a suprise you keep quiet when the top man speaks ( No offence Kris, but you must know what I mean). The figure of 10m was purley a figure of the top of my head. Are you positive we get 5.8m from sky as parachute payments?? I thought it was about under half that figure. Also 3m from ITV Digital, again I thought it was more nearer the 1.5m mark. Maybe someone can quote the figures if known. Also do you really think the Merchandise and Programmes make serious money??? It is only thier to provide merchandise to the fans, but in terms of profit, I cant see it making the money that any other top 1st division club makes. Pume make the kit, I wasnt aware that we make to much money from that, and also the Maximuscle deal was small in comparison to others we had, simply because we are not in the top division.Pete, I believe that Kris, has in a way answered your question about the club being run at a operating loss. All football clubs are run badly, simply to chase the dream, but all the clubs are facing reality now, and with some clubs making players redundent, the game looks like it needs a re-think. I just think that no matter what personnel we had in charge, they would of had to re-structured the club in some way, obviously not as drastic, but without seeing any figures then I guess we cant comment for sure either way. But Hutch, Im sorry to pick on your attendance thing again, but we are the poor relations of London and even though the survey said that we have fans who want to come to see us in Merton, why cant they come now when the club needs them. I have seen this all before from people who say 'Yeah, I like Wimbledon, they always upset the big teams' then they try get tickets for the Man Utd home game!! Well problem now is we no longer have any more big games!!!!! Our attendance has to affect how big our team can be, the good old days are gone and big money rules the game. Its like saying that Newcastle can get 50000+ fans but are no bigger team than us. WEll we may have 11 against 11 on the pitch, but thats the only comparison we can make with some teams nowadays. I remember a Harry Enfield sketch about girls saying ' OI GIRLS, KNOWN YOUR LIMITS' I think that can be related to us.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Saturday, May 04, 2002 at 00:36:57 (PDT)
If the club is up the spout for money, it's because of our current owners. No other excuse. We knew two years ago we were in for hard times, and any intelligent businessman would have prepared for that. Ooops. That word again. Intelligent just doesn't seem to go with Koppel. Don't forget he has a habit of losing money belonging to BRG and KIR.
Ronan
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 13:07:49 (PDT)
Most football clubs in this league are in trouble, because football has been appallingly run for a long time. WFC Ltd is of course running at an operating loss, and for the club to run at break even (which by the way is the best that should be expected) it would mean reducing costs. All clubs need to reduce costs. None of the above in any way means that what Koppel has been doing at WFC is in any way in the long-term interests of WFC.
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
London, - Friday, May 03, 2002 at 10:03:19 (PDT)
remarkably p o'd - this is the attitude I don't understand - just because we have small attendances (which the club do nothing to improve) doesn't mean we are in trouble. just because CK says we are doesn't mean we are in trouble either, we have a big squad, we have to trim it (not at the expense of playoff chances obviously), we have a very passionate - if small - fanbase who have proven through the DT/ Y and B that they are willing to help THEIR club when we get it back. we have received huge amounts of money from sky, itv and through player sales, the costs of relegation are well known, the people in charge of the club should have prepared the club accordingly - they didn't - and they are looking for the easiest way out end of
Hutch
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 09:48:40 (PDT)
Stu - I don't confess to know how much it costs to run WFC - we can only speculate and guess what comes in and goes out, if as you say it costs £10m a season then our sky money was somewhere in the region of £5.8m (not many of the other div 1 clubs would have been getting this) this season add £3m of ITV money then add sponsorship from Puma and Maximuscle (no mention of transfer money) and we are looking at about the £10m you talk of. remember also the club are alienating it's fans (you should know more than most) and not taking advantage of our love for our club, we are not buying programmes or merchandise
Hutch
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 09:34:36 (PDT)
Guys - stop bitching. But hear this - regardless of wht CK has said and ignoring what has gone on, we, as a football club, are in the biggest trouble of our history. And I DON'T mean MK, I'm talking £'s. For christs' sake (sorry Mr Bowles) it is NOT difficult to understand that we do NOT make any money barring player sales. We run at an operating LOSS. And don't give me any of this "Well how do you know 'cause the accounts haven't been published" rubbish, it is as plain as the nose on your face. I'm not "swallowing Koppels' lies", I'm facing up to the real possibility that - even if CK etc weren't in charge (which face it, is the only reason we're all getting so unhappy) - we are going to the wall faster than a road-runner chasing Coyote. Or something
Remarkably pissed off Don
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 09:26:33 (PDT)
Paul, I chose 98 because it was when we were still a premiership club, not because of Sam, Kinnear or buying players like Hartson. Substitute the 1998 for 2000 (first half) and my point still stands. It's also worth remembering that the ownership of WFC (Holdings) ltd in 1998 was (IIRC) 80% Nog and only 20% Hammam. I don't believe that we paid players (even then) a higher than normal premiership wage, and if they weren't linked to the division that the club plays in, they damn well should have been. Stu... Yes I was happy when we signed Hartson, but if doing things like that put the club on a financial footing this insecure it should not be done. We can be happy that the club is signing famous players, but if I had known then what I know now, I wouldn't have been. It's not acceptable for them to be running our club this badly. Of course, if they published the accounts for this past year we'd be able to compare our income for this year with 99/00, but they won't. But I wouldn't be suprised if Parachute+ITV money+season tickets - wages for this year left a lot more money than the same equation for 99/00. I am certain that we won't get to see the accounts before the MK decision is made, and once it is made the club will either be liquidated, or be playing in MK (or there abouts). Koppel's hollow arguments sidestep the issue. He's run the club in a way that makes MK look necessary.
peter bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
Wimbledon, Wimbledon Wimbledon - Friday, May 03, 2002 at 09:01:18 (PDT)
You sure that Connolly and Mild are on 25k between them???? Were they released by the club then??? I have said before that selling players before the end of the season was not the right choice, but I still believe it wouldnt of been now it would of been in the close season. This 25m comes up again, but we dont know how much debt we had when we got Relegated. Also we have had two season is the Division with hardly anything coming in. I personally reckon it costs at least 10m to run the club for one season. How much do you reckon??
Stuart D (stuart@sdecons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 08:50:54 (PDT)
Stu - we went down, we sold £25m worth of players (cut the wage bill by a vast amount) , we had a decent go the first time round and ultimately failed - we then proceeded to increase an already big squad with new players including Mild and Connolly (£25k a week between them?), a few short months later our chairman is attempting to decimate a squad that is just showing signs of improvement and he tries to get rid of anyone - even players he agreed to sign! where is the consistency? what happened to the 3 year plan? why were players sold and loaned over the managers head? what could TB have achieved given the backing of the chairman? why couldn't CK have waited 3 weeks until the end of the season before his big sale off? where are the accounts? why was TB allowed to sign a number of players only to have his squad stripped? there is one answer to all of these questions it has two words and the second one is Keynes
Hutch
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 08:29:13 (PDT)
Paul it is quite common for contracts to have clauses in them dependent on promotion/relegation issues, what my gripe is, is that when we went down our squad should have been sorted out at the time, the way we have gone about it, culminating in playoff chances being greatly reduced because of this obsession with the wage bill has been very very amateur (to put it mildly) - nobody can disagree with that (even Stu :) )- the real extent of Koppel's destruction of the club will be obvious next season, when nobody will buy merchandise, nobody will buy season tickets or programmes, a great number of fans will not even bother to turn up, the manager will be a Koppel puppet and the squad..........well who knows what that will be like with Koppel around!
Hutch
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 08:17:52 (PDT)
Hutch, we can compete with those teams, but surely not on the wages of the current team. Most of those teams have a good youth base and players that have something to prove whilst on low wages. We already have started doing that with Lional, Jobi and Patrick. You say that no one else says what I say, well maybe im more blunt than most, but we have loads of people that come in and ask how can we pay these peoples wages whilst having such shit attendance. If you remember the last season at PL and the first few at Selhurst, you can be suprised at the lack of fans, the others were all coming to watch the other premeirship teams.If you think we sold the players early, you tell me how long we should of kept them for then????? You seem to of read past my coment about Bradford!! Im not licking no-ones Arse, even if I wasnt working for the Shop, I have always thought this would happen years ago, which was why I was so worried about us ever getting relegated. Dont you remember when we gave free tickets away and the kids came in Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea tops!!!! I used to dred us scoring a goal down that end and the camera doing a close up on the fans!! I would have died!!! Pete - We all know a business should be run with expense not being more than the income, but no club in the Premiership runs that way except Man U, Arsenal. Look at Derby, they are in serious trouble. I bet when we sighned Hartson you were as excited as me, so we cant be happy one minute and then moan after the event that we didnt run it a business the next!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 08:16:40 (PDT)
Pete why 1998? we were in the premiership 99/00 season and players could of signed new contracts during this time. I think you will find that there were a number of players that were on higher than normal wages. This would of also come under the previous owner. If players are under contract you cant change them (for less).
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, May 03, 2002 at 07:51:16 (PDT)
Stu - just because our attendances are smaller than the likes of Norwich, Burnley, Millwall etc why should we not be able to compete with them? I don't think we are a Premier League club at all, last season we were one of the best div 1 squads with undoubtedly the worst div 1 chairman. If you don't think CK is partly responsible for the size of the gate see next season for cast iron proof. from your post - "the board gave the team as long as possible to prove themselves" you are advocating what CK has done - the rest of the board are insignificant. BTW I don't know any other dons fan on any website who shares your opinion
Hutch
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 07:42:35 (PDT)
Re: us having too many players on 'premiership' wages.
a couple of things to consider: How many of our current squad were regulars when we played in the PL, (and therefore would be on a 'premiership wage'). I can name three - Kenny, Ardley and Deano. If we are still paying these players the same amount that we did in 1998 then the question has to be why their wages weren't linked to the division we played in. People insist that football is a business, well they certainly don't run our club like one! The first rule of business must be to make your income greater than your expences. This last season our parachute money was equal to our regular sky money in 99/00 because of the sky renegotiation. Koppel has the figures, even my mum would be able to put those into a form where it's possible to predict how much money is available over the next few years. WFC (ltd) claims it is out of cash, there are only two possibilites: 1) they're lying (or have fiddled the figures) in order to justify MK, 2) they're incompetent. Although I accept it could be a bit of both.
peter bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
Wimbledon, Wimbledon Wimbledon - Friday, May 03, 2002 at 06:26:50 (PDT)
Hutch, the problem you have is you still think that we are a Premiership Club, How the hell can we be classed in the same bracket as WBA, Norwich, Burnley and Preston!!!! Norwich is probally the closest out of all of them. CK is responsible for a lot of things but restricting our gate!!! Thats a new and funny one!!! I seem to think that CK brain washes me, that couldnt be further from the truth. You say we have 26 million coming in. Were we in debt at the end of the relegation season??? How much do you think the outgoings are for one season????? Ok, maybe we should see the accounts but I bet some people would have one hell off a shock, how much it costs for one season. I would of thought it was obvious why we sold after 2 seasons in the 1st division. The Board gave as long as possible for the team to prove themselves!!! We are no different to other teams out of the premiership. Bradford have done it in their 1st season, but hey they are a small team with no support I guess????
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.o.uk)
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 06:21:44 (PDT)
Stu - why have we got a merchandise ban? Koppel. Why have we got a ST ban? Koppel. why will our average attendance drop next season again? Koppel. why are there protests every week that arguably affect the results? Koppel. Of course we need to see the accounts because we haven't seen them yet and people like you tend to believe whatever the club says re: our financial position. why does transfer money getting paid to us over time an issue? we will still be getting £26m at the end of the day - how many first division clubs have raked that in over the last 2 seasons? - none. we have still had sky parachute payments for the last 2 seasons AND ITV money. I have never thought we should keep all of our players, I have always thought our div 1 squad has been too big - but why take nearly 2 years before loaning/selling half a dozen players in the space of 2 days? anyone can see that it is absolute bollocks. on other div 1 clubs WBA have proven with limited funds you can acheive great things, Norwich, Millwall, Preston and Burnley have also done very well with little to spend - just because they get bigger gates doesn't mean they have more or less money than us, I don't think it is wrong for me to think WFC should be competing with these clubs - especially given most of them were in div 2 while we were in the PL
Hutch
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 05:05:01 (PDT)
Hutch, your at it again!!! All the players baring Damo and Cooper would of been on big wages. Are you telling me that if you are only getting 5000+ in at the gate you can justify paying people 6-7K per week???? Never thought Kelvin spoke to Villa??? When I asked him he sayed it was news to him, at that was a direct quote from him!!! I hate losing players just as much as you, maybe im realistic to the problems. If an administrator come in now, he would of done that before you could of opened your mouth!!! Do we really need to see the accounts??? It would probally make us even more depressed. I just use my eyes on a home game and that makes me realise. I know what your going to say about the transfer money. But as someone said ages ago we dont get all that money upfront, and if I was a chairman I would be saving as much money as possible after the ITV fiasco!!! Im not for one minute backing what KC done, but I just think that something would be of done by any Chairman we had, but obviously some are more dramatic that others!!! Now read my message before saying things that I havent!! Also the question was, What clubs do you think we are on a par with in terms of Money, support etc in Div 1??? (see proved my point about you not reading my messages :-) )
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 04:44:30 (PDT)
Stu - you didn't ask a question. But what you are saying there is that you agree with Koppells decision to loan out Ainsworth to Preston, Hughes to Birmingham and the sale of Cooper (technically a Koppell signing) to Wolves - you also would have understood Cunningham going to Millwall, Kelvin going to Villa and Trond and Damo going to Birmingham (which all would have happened had CK had his way). I am not saying that financialy we are in a good position (without the club publically producing it's accounts - which it still hasn't - we can only speculate). if we hadn't got rid of the players we did, we could be in the playoff final and 1 game away from financial security, CK saw to it that we had as little chance as possible of acheiving this and you seem to think he was right to do so
Hutch
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 03:45:51 (PDT)
Hutch, I did not say I agreed what happened at the end of the season, I said I UNDERSTAND why we had too. I thought the timing was shit to sell when we did, but at if we are that much in the shit, and with this ITV digital thing, no one is buying players, so we might of been left we players we couldnt afford and just made them redundent like other teams have. When we were averaging 17000+, that money was still keeping us afloat, remember we were paying Premiership wages. And SH still had to sell players in the premiership to keep us afloat, but the difference was he did it at the end of the season, but he always had the upper hand!!! You didnt answer my question BTW??
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 03:09:29 (PDT)
Stu - am not trying to put words into your mouth, Millwall do have a 10000+ now but they didn't 2 years ago when we were averaging 17000+, there was no merchandise or programmes boycott then either. What I mean is Koppell has run the club so badly since we went down, ST boycott, Merchandise boycott, programme boycott, HBRA, fans united ticketing, loaning players to sides we are about to play, selling and loaning to rivals when in chance of playoffs, dismissal of TB and other long standing staff not to mention MK!the list goes on and on and you seem to agree with what has gone on towards the end of the season. No club in history has ever or will ever do as we did in the transfer market towards the end of the season and remember he also tried to get rid of Damo, Tond and Kenny - to rivals
Huutch
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 01:57:27 (PDT)
Hutch, one more question for you, tell me what clubs you think we are on a level with in this division, in terms of Money, support, merchandise sales etc?????
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 01:42:28 (PDT)
Hutch, Millwall is not a great example mate. They for one have 10000+ attendance, all the money from catering, merchandise etc goes to them, not like us. They have a young side made up of ex youth players so they wont be on big wages anyway. Hutch, please dont put words in my mouth about be agreeing with the way Koppell sold the players. I never said that, I just explained how I see the situation and why we had to get rid of plpayers. There is never a right time to sell players and the fans will never agree, but to me it was only a matter of time.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, May 03, 2002 at 01:34:25 (PDT)
I know what your saying Stu but you are virtually saying that Koppell went about transfering players in the right way we both know that he didn't (he hasn't and still refuses to publish WFC accounts - why?) - . Look at Millwall for example, no Premier League money for years, no parachute payments, less ITV money, smaller crowds for probably 10 of the last 12 years than us. At one point we were within touching distance of them, they signed Dublin on loan (could prove to be the signing of the season) and we sell Cooper and loan Hughes and Ainsworth - I know we have a bigger squad but that squad is about to be 50% smaller - at least - but tell me the logic in that?
Hutch
- Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 09:46:52 (PDT)
Paul, your so picky sometimes. You cant deny that JK was a good motivator whilst at Wimbledon can you ??? But that semi against Chelsea was already lost once we lost the two leg final against Liecester in my opinion. And in all fairness Chelsea were just a better team!! Hutch, your right about the options things as we did run out, but if we are losing money big time you cant have a massive squad. We are a above average team with a below average support. Its annoying, but we have always been the underdog, its just its getting harder to compete as a underdog!!!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 09:27:09 (PDT)
A media lawyer I heard on Radio 4 yesterday said that in these cases the ownership is that of the creator - ie: the person that came up with the idea. ITV Digital/the administrators do not own the monkey, the ad agency or creator does.
Brighton Womble
Serious stuff, - Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 08:12:44 (PDT)
Just read a story on bbc website about how the administrators and the advertising agency over who own "Monkey" - Deloitte and Touch, however, say Monkey is an asset of the company.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 07:54:31 (PDT)
I am not saying that we would have got into the playoffs if we had kept the players that went but TB would of been able to choose from Hughes, Ainsworth and Cooper (4 games in a week would have been more manageable with these in the squad) but he couldn't, this is why their is so much critisism of CK (and rightly so of course), if he had let TB get on with things, leave the squad as it was and not sell/loan anyone he would of had more of a case for letting him go. Stu Aggy played a lot of games in the run in - Nielsen would have figured, not saying he would have done any better but TB would have had options. Moderately pissed off - we have thrown away lots of points under TB, this was not happening as much towards the end of the season, maybe the consistency we needed was creeping in?
Hutch
- Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 07:11:47 (PDT)
Stu - Them JK gee up's was that the same one that he gave against Chelsea in the semi at Highbury or was that not a big game :) - This is what we need a summer of get JK as manager disscussions on this board.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 06:43:15 (PDT)
Hutch - fair point, but I'm looking at it as we have thrown away _too_ many points on silly games (Rotherham (a), Bradford (a), Cov (h), Wolves (h), Grimsby (a) (shudder!), and such), and only one of those games was after players were loaned. Do you see what I mean? Those games would have got us 15 points, but we got 2-not all down to poor performance I reckon!
Moderately pissed off Don
- Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 06:40:56 (PDT)
Hutch, I dont think you can include Nielson in amongst the ones that we were forced to sell. He wasnt even making the bench when we sold him. I would say that nowadays managers are lucky to get two seasons in a job without any sucesss, so I am not that disapointed with losing TB. I thought he was a pleasant man and guided us to play better football, if only sometimes passing the ball to death, but I for one certainly enjoy it much more that the long ball game. I think personally that we needed someone else to bring on the job Terry was doing but someone with more aggression and belief. I felt sometimes we were two one dimensional and were not flexible, also I think the team needs a gee up sometimes in the mould off what Joe Kinnear did before important games.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 06:16:46 (PDT)
Moderately pissed off - I know exactly what you are getting at. It is widely agreed amongst dons fans that we have (or had) one of the strongest squads in div 1. Like you I put a lot of the blame for our low finish at the feet of TB due to his lack of substitutions, reluctance to change tactics, inability to hold onto leads, no shots, few crosses etc. But having key players loaned and sold to our rivals at the most important stage of the season would not only affect the quality of the team on the field, it would have definitely affected morale throughout the squad. We will never know if we could have reached the playoffs if Koppell had let TB get on with things. When we went down TB was (AFAIK) given 3 seasons to get us back into the top flight, as well as the players that went this season (Cooper, Nielsen) he has had to adjust to the departures of Sullivan, Thatcher, Herman, Cort, Hartson, Euell, Gayle etc which I am sure you would agree has not been easy, I was happy to give TB another season, we have a great group of young players, we proved in parts of the season that we were capable if not consistent and things could have been great. I think deep down we know why Koppell sacked TB and it wasn't deserved - look at the bare facts, since going down we have sold nearly £30m of players, have had a number of injuries, sold or loaned top players to rivals and finished within a couple of wins off the playoffs 2 seasons running - not a bad performance if you look at it like that
Hutch
- Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 04:03:43 (PDT)
Is it me, or is the only reason certain people are getting pissed off re:TB because CK sacked him? I seem to remember several conversations on different websites pointing out how crap his tactics were and how he didn't substitute when needed. So what's changed? (and don't say it was the way he was sacked because we don't know if that was the full reason - yes it may of contributed, but I reckon the board were just looking for an excuse!)
Moderately pissed off Don
- Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 01:44:23 (PDT)
Pete - Sorry mate just found the problem no slash between .com and football rather than 2 slashes after football. All fixed now :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, May 01, 2002 at 10:24:36 (PDT)
Just to let everyone know as from Tuesday I am back in employment. I have a permanant job at Croydon College which I am well happy about. :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, May 01, 2002 at 10:19:22 (PDT)
Pete have you tried a Ctrl F5 because I have just checked and it's ok at this end.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, May 01, 2002 at 10:18:18 (PDT)
It's not Paul. The 'news' link on this page (guestbook.html) still points to http://www.itmustbedons.comfootball//news.html
peter bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
Wimbledon, Wimbledon Wimbledon - Wednesday, May 01, 2002 at 08:21:32 (PDT)
Cheers Pete should be sorted now :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, May 01, 2002 at 05:33:08 (PDT)
Problems are not quite sorted. The news link from this page points to www.itmustbedons.comfootball//news.html
peter bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
- Wednesday, May 01, 2002 at 04:11:26 (PDT)
If anyone has been having problems with the site this morning can I say sorry the change has caused a few problems I wasn't expecting, I think it's all sorted now.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, May 01, 2002 at 04:04:13 (PDT)
Sent around 190 letters thus far direct to Terry Burton. NOT ONE letter recieved that thought it was a good move and just bout ALL of them totally ripping into KoCKbull
Phillo (chris@kiss100.com)
- Wednesday, May 01, 2002 at 03:43:15 (PDT)
Hope you like the addition, I will be adding sparts to it so please check it on a regular basis. Cheers
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, May 01, 2002 at 01:36:52 (PDT)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stu - don't press Shift+1
- Tuesday, April 30, 2002 at 09:34:54 (PDT)
Stu - No point in putting a poll on the site as everyone would vote for you so they could have a laugh :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, April 30, 2002 at 08:35:19 (PDT)
Paul you such a funny (bleep)!!!! I thought you might being puting a vote on your site for the favorite to be our next manager by now!!!! I see in the paper that we are after another Noweigian!!!! God help us, do we never learn!!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, April 30, 2002 at 07:17:13 (PDT)
Stu - if you arrange flights to Barca can you make sure that its in time to see the game :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, April 30, 2002 at 05:18:19 (PDT)
YOur damn right Paul! I would talk to the Barcelona management about having us as a Feeder club. I would also arrange regular flights to Barca to watch games. What a Dream!!! Anyway Rivaldo is Dead at the moment and no use to us. I hope he gets fit for the World cup, it would be a great sight to see him and Ronaldo playing up front, not against England Though!!!!!! I have just checked the World Cup Scedules and on the Sunday England play Sweden there are two games before it that kick off at 6:30am and 8:30am!!!! Also Rep of Ireland play there first game at 7:30am on the first Saturday. Cant wait for it to start!!!!
Stuart D (Stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, April 30, 2002 at 04:23:06 (PDT)
Stu - You seem to imply that you would 1) Get an interview 2) be offered the job. I can imagine on your first day announcing to "The Daily Sport" How by the end of the week you will be signing the QPR squad (to play in the reserves) and also Rivaldo and Savio will be having talks.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, April 30, 2002 at 02:42:18 (PDT)
BW, I would apply, but by judging my performance on LMA manager, I think WISA would sack me after 2 gamees!!!! Nick, point taken about Barnsley, but the attendance was very realistic!!! No mater what I do, I can only attract an average of 8000 for a league game!!!! Hey, but I love a challenge, thats why I am a womble!!!!!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, April 30, 2002 at 01:29:08 (PDT)
Wanted - A Candidate Willing to Commit Managerial Suicide.
http://www.wisa.org.uk
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
Morning all, - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 16:54:49 (PDT)
Thta's a very loose term isn't it? Adventures?!
Chris D
- Monday, April 29, 2002 at 14:25:41 (PDT)
Oh god you can tell the seasons over a summer of people talking about there adventures on Championship Manager.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, April 29, 2002 at 09:55:41 (PDT)
Stu - how the hell is a Wimbledon - Barnsley play-off final realistic?!??!! I was gutted when I got to the play-offs on CM and only got about 8,000 for the first leg at Plough Lane! Sold out Cardiff for the final though, somehow managed to lose 4-1 though, despite having 16 attempts to 4! Never gonna forget that!!
Nick (nick.draper@tinyworld.co.uk)
- Monday, April 29, 2002 at 08:17:42 (PDT)
Hi everyone, it seems very quiet on here today, there is not a boycott on here that I havent heard about is there??? Just a funny thing that happened on my PS2 LMA Manager game on the weekend. I got to the Playoff final against Barnsley and only 12000+ fans were there. I couldnt stop laughing and thinking that it would probally of been the attendance if we did get there. Also I lost 1-0 so it is too bloddy realsitic!!!!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Monday, April 29, 2002 at 07:24:48 (PDT)
REPD - I was in two minds as to put a time but as there is a fair chance it will kick off at 3:00 I thought I would put it in. Trust you to come up with that :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, April 28, 2002 at 03:17:05 (PDT)
Paul - if your next fixture is "unknown", how come you know it kicks off at 3pm? :)
REPD (repd@repd.net)
Boston, MA - Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 11:07:11 (PDT)
burgess' concentric model
grfifin
- Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 09:37:00 (PDT)
If Chris Burgess is reading this can you e-mail me please. Cheers.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 08:02:30 (PDT)
Registered auditor required to help The Dons Trust - can anyone assist? Please contact me, Lou@thedonstrust.org if you can. Many thanks,
Lou Carton-Kelly (Lou@thedonstrust.org)
That There London, - Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 02:49:53 (PDT)
Dazzer-gonna dissappoint you. I don't know why and neither do you. All this is supposition, so why bother disscussing it
Robert Paulson
- Friday, April 26, 2002 at 08:48:46 (PDT)
RP, the club didn't turn Millwall down, Kenny did. Go and read it on Gareth ainsworths site. You'll also read that he did not what to go but had to. Koppell sold Cooper while TB was in hospital Terry had no input. That is not what I AM THINKING, Terry is on record saying it. TB got us to 8th & 9th while offloading over 25 mio worth of talent , and havung all his best players loaned out or sold this season. TB tried to leave after Portsmouth , but CK talked him out of it. Why did he change his mind 6 months later , when we were in a better position. You definitely won't answer this one.
Dazzer (Wallington)
- Friday, April 26, 2002 at 08:44:07 (PDT)
Ed Don - I honestly don't think it matters what division WFC are in. MK is a property deal which happens to have a football club attached, I think CK not supporting TB in the transfer market has proven that. (imagine if he was allowed to spend all of the Euell money on the team for example - not to mention the much talked about loaning of top names to rivals). One interesting thing though - if we were to be relegated we could be in div 2 with local to MK sides Northampton and Luton which could make things intersting!
Hutch
- Friday, April 26, 2002 at 07:25:39 (PDT)
Any of our out-of-contract players who might have possibly wanted to stay are never going to do so now. Which is, of course the way Koppell wants it. What is the man playing at? Is he just trying to sell everyone to recoup some of his "master's" investment before we are shut down (We would still receive a fee for some of the young players even if contract expired)? If that's not the case, I can't see what he hopes to achieve. If he carries on at this rate, it's a season of struggle next year rather than building on this term, and surely, if we slip out of the top 2 divisions interest from the MK people would cool?
Edinburgh Don
- Friday, April 26, 2002 at 06:56:49 (PDT)
RP - The Trond and Damo story regards Birmingham. I believe that they asked about Damo and Terry told them get lost and then they asked about Trond, Trond did travel to Birmingham and have talks with them but turned them down.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, April 26, 2002 at 03:32:01 (PDT)
I knew I shouldn't post my opinion. However, I will take issue with the bloke who said "I presume you won't answer that". Fine, I will. I don't know about those attempts to loan/sell (Trond, Kenny, Damo), but lets face it, none of you know the whole truth either. I fear we are falling into a trap of "Ooh, the press say this is happening but I bet you its Koppels' fault". Ah, now I remember (as my mates a 'Wall fan), Millwall asked us about KC, and we told 'em where to go. Or are you going to rubbish that as well?
Robert Paulson
- Friday, April 26, 2002 at 02:13:28 (PDT)
Yup, it's all my fault. I am really Kjell Inge Roekke and I've been spying on you all. I leave so that when things hit the fan you can blame my alter ego. I've bribed the FA so they'll accept the relocation and you've all wasted your time. See you in Milton Keynes
REPD (ilovecharleskoppel@mk.com)
:), - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 12:39:34 (PDT)
Yeh but Paul, which would you prefer? REPD out of the country and things going Pete Tong at WFC, or REPD in the country?? It's a tough one!
Nick (nick.draper@tinyworld.co.uk)
- Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 12:27:10 (PDT)
Just thinking out loud, do you think on sunday morning Peter Hawkins knew he was due this money if he played or couldn't believe his luck on Tuesday/Wednesday when the story broke and it was across all the papers that the club owed him £10k :)
Paul Raymond (paul@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 11:49:32 (PDT)
I blame REPD, yet again out of the country and it all goes pear shaped :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 11:46:11 (PDT)
South London Press Site has a poll on should of Terry remained as manager? you can vote here
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 11:40:22 (PDT)
Burton's sacking obviously has nothing to do with football. This was Koppel's decision alone and as we all know Terry's forgotten more about football than Koppel will ever know. Every WFC employee from the tea-ladies and programme sellers to the players should be considering their positions right now.
joe b
earlsfield, - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 10:48:48 (PDT)
the best thing that could happen now would be the players going on strike and refusing to play under Koppell (might happen if Robson is brought back) - that would make Norway sit up and take notice it would also get the press to give us more coverage. whatever happens though things are starting to come to a head, Northampton Town have finally come out against MK and called for other local clubs to do the same, players contracts will be running out very soon and they will be free to speak on the issue, less people will be buying ST's now than yesterday (if anyone is still considering buying one you want your head examined imo) and Koppell will become more and more desperate. things are going to get interesting, keep up the fight all
Hutch
- Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 09:02:19 (PDT)
I very much doubt that TB was sacked simply for playing Hawkins. That's Koppel's excuse. I think TB has been sacked because he's not Charles Koppels Gimp. In the past he had said some pretty pants things about us, but recently it's been much better. Our league position isn't TB's fault (IMO), from day 1 things haven't worked out properly. Transfers being screwed up, players being sold/loaned out, just so they can plead poverty. They had a three year plan - remember that??? Burton wasn't the best manager, but as a coach he was great. What do you think the first question in any job inverview is going to be? "Are you in favour of a move to Milton Keynes" Ask Thorley about it.
peter bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
Wimbledon, Wimbledon Wimbledon - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 08:45:18 (PDT)
Paul - top man for saying exactly what you feel about this issue. You're absolutely right, this has got nothing to do with performances on the pitch.
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
London, - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 08:42:03 (PDT)
Paul, apologies for the obvious comment, and I know we have been over it about a million times. But Terry Burton, a Wimbledon man through and through and an excellent coach IMO, has been sacked for trying to do his job BY YOUR BOSS. What are you going to do about it? Staying there regardless as WFC collapses around you does you no credit I'm afraid to say.
Martin D
- Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 08:37:06 (PDT)
It doesn't matter what your views are on any supporters groups (WISA, DT, OWFF) it seems clear that Terry Burton has been sacked over playing a player rather than on performances on the pitch. Yes we have missed out on the play-offs for the past two years but for him to be sacked over this issue is a disgrace.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 08:20:33 (PDT)
RP, stop being so demeaning of WISA it is the bigger picture it effects all supporters, the sacking of Terry was not a football issue it is because he had the audacity to speak out against MK, since day one Koppell has had only 1 and still has only 1 agenda MK, and anyone who speaks out about it will go the same way, the WFC employees will become even more of Koppells puppets now and either keep quite or say the right things to accommodate his needs
Wibbly Don
- Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 07:30:47 (PDT)
Vinny is pro MK
Wibbly Don
- Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 07:17:21 (PDT)
BRING BACK VINNY
bob (bob@hotmail.com)
bob, bob bobland - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 07:09:55 (PDT)
Robert, so it is no coincidence, that TB wss acxked after he said he wanted a local stadium.?? How the hell was he supposed to get the playofss , when , when we got to within 4 pomys of 6th place Koppel sold our only ever present, (while TB ws in hospital I might add) and lent GA and MH to playoff rivbal;s , tried toi len KC to Millwall, and also tried to sell DF & TA to Birmingham. I presume you won't answer this.
Dazzer (Wallington)
- Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 06:51:02 (PDT)
Robert P - your post is unbelievable, Burton's attempt to get us into the playoffs was hindered terribly by Koppout, now he is sacked. You seem to be of the opinion that Koppell knows what he is doing and is doing the right thing by sacking TB. It is plain and simple he utters a few anti MK statements and within a couple of days he is out - how anyone cannot see that (especially a dons fan) is beyond me. if CK had given TB cash and not loaned/sold some of his most important players at the most important time of the season you might have a point
Hutch
- Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 06:40:23 (PDT)
As i live in Birmingham i dont get to see 2 many dons games but when i went to see them against wolves i was proud to hear 'koppel out' chants. Sacking Burton is the last straw when is he going to take a hint a piss off
Beany the don (Jubeanio@hotmail.com)
Brum, england - Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 06:21:12 (PDT)
Well I'm not surprised he's been sacked - Roland Nilsson at Coventry only had 8 months to deliver the prem. and he got the boot (Oh and what does everyone think about Gary McA taking over?!), Burton's had two years. Regardless of what happened off the pitch - he didn't fulfill (sp?) his contract _on_ it. The problem is that we, as fans, have been spoilt because, we had the same manager for a period of time when mediocrity in the prem was acceptable. Well, since we lost that status (and that manager with it) and with a "Good try" mentality the last two seasons, we have become complacent again. Face it, it wasn't that long ago that people on here, WISA, W&WW & SW19's army were harping on about how shite he was. Oh and _I_ don't think he was sacked for his views, but I'm sure WISA will issue a press release saying it was Koppels fault (and that's NOT a dig, I too can see what a PR oppo it is "Manager Sacked Over Agreeing With Fans And Disobeying Orders", but I can't believe that that is the case!)
Robert Paulson
- Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 06:16:47 (PDT)
Was Terry sacked or had he (understandably) had enough. Terry knew before last Sunday that he was on his way out, and maybe his picking of Hawkins was his final "f**k you" to Koppell. £10K less in Koppell's legal warchest anyway!
Thanks to Terry, with the backing of the board, he could have turned us into a great footballing side. Now we'll see which particular clown is brought in to 'replace' him. What do you reckon - Olsen back by the end of the week? ;-)
Edinburgh Don
- Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 06:08:36 (PDT)
Official!!! the OS has just announced Burton has been sacked Bastards!! good by to a good coach and just because he spoke up against MK
Wibbly Don
- Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 05:17:16 (PDT)
I have a massive personal flaw. Can you tell what it is yet?
Danny C ((really Martin D taking the piss))
- Thursday, April 25, 2002 at 04:08:40 (PDT)
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