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BURTON TO BE FIRED TODAY - www.wisa.org.uk
Kevin Rye
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 16:07:41 (PDT)
Shock! Horror! Danny is right! I've spotted loads of things wrong with the artist impression (a) Floodlights (b) Exits for the seats (c) Ambulance access (d) Koppel hanging from a long rope (e) Fans (f) a football (g) Turnstiles (h) Stewards (i) a ref (j) Dugouts. Damn, well that's it. better give up on our plans to return home then.
Ronan
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 13:54:56 (PDT)
Danny - don't have my Bradford Y & B to hand, but from memory that was the sketch wasn't it? (the one on the t-shirt on this page http://www.wisa.org.uk/merchandise/ ). If so, I wouldn't worry. It's an "artist's impression", if you like, rather than a detailed plan. The detailed plans have been drawn up by professionals who work in the industry and are fully aware of all relevant legislation. But if there's something you want to point out, please do.
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
Croydon, - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 13:04:33 (PDT)
Couple of points : 1) Removing Koppout is a huge step and has much more significance than some may think. Why did KIR pick him to oversee all this? Because Roekke thought that Koppout was the best man for the job and (most importantly) trusted him to do it better than anyone else. It may be a case of removing the puppet rather than the puppet master, but if the puppet master cannot pull the strings..... 2) Haven't really examined the PL thing in detail, but it looks OK enough to me. You can push in the entrance turnstiles to the 10 ft if you so wish, it just means narrowing the concourse (I work some of the time in construction/building services so I do think I have a little idea of what I'm on about. Supposedly).
REPD (repd@repd.net)
Davenport, FL and late as usual - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 11:24:01 (PDT)
Danny- a few things. ONE- stop being a prick and say what this so called flaw is. TWO- it is academic because the stadium design is not THE stadium that WILL be built there should we go home. It is just 100% proof, beyond reasonable doubt that a 20k odd stadium with room for expansion can be built there. So can you get a life please and tell us what u r talking about>
The Real Hash
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 10:30:43 (PDT)
ralph no it isn't that but that's another to add to the list, cos i think you may be right there. come on look closely!!!!!!!
Danny C
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 09:06:15 (PDT)
Danny - the only thing you can be spouting on about is the entrances to the stadium on Durnsford Rd & PL itself. I think they have to be a minimum of 10m from the road.
Ralph Malph
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 09:00:15 (PDT)
Terry is an excellent coach and only an idiot would want him out of the club (i.e. Mr.Koppel) IMO He is tactically naive as a manager, but that is to be expected as he has only been doing the job for 2 years. He is a hero for (finally) speaking his mind about the fans and a local solution.
Martin D (Not two-faced)
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 08:35:27 (PDT)
One face, nobody ever questioned TB credentials as a coach, I think that he has proved that he can hold his own just look at the way our style of footbal has changed since TB took over and some of the very god reviews he has received, it is his lack of management that is suspect and only time will tell if he will ever crack it as a manager
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 07:51:21 (PDT)
Danny im wunderin why you are such a tosser, should there be a flaw with the design, stop pissin about, grow up and make your earth shattering statement, the PL drawing is a concept get it, concept!! albeit a very good one that proves that a stadium whether it be 22k or 19km or 39k can be built on PL
Wunderin Don
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 07:46:35 (PDT)
WFC fans are so 2 faced... 1st Burton is useless and now he is a hero cos he will be sacked. he should be long gone you have massively underachieved in the last 2 seasons. no coincidence you lost your last 3 with him in charge and won the previous 3 with him outta way. where's the old spirit gone that management should have instilled???????????
One face
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 07:45:53 (PDT)
Is the "massive flaw" the fact that there will be thousands of fans like Danny seating in complaining about Neil Ardley or the colour of the grass?
Danny's mum
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 07:17:25 (PDT)
Danny seems to have his head up his arse and wants to play some stadium form of kiss-chase. Mate, the WISA design shows that a decent sized stadium COULD be built on PL, it doesn't necessarily represent the one that would be. I'm sure 1,000 or so seats can be sacrificed for whatever earth-shattering flaw there is in these paper designs (yawn)
Martin D
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 07:15:37 (PDT)
Kris it is to do with the drawing in the Bradford Yellow and Blue... There is a fundemantal flaw, all to do with the new legislation on football stadia. Have a close look and it will hit you
Danny C
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 06:52:41 (PDT)
This guestbook just seems to be a meeting place for all the doubters and Koppel tolerators these days.
R Don
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 06:42:32 (PDT)
The only flaw I can see with the plough lane stadium design (as far as the club is concerned) is that it's in south west London, and won't impress the residents of Milton Keynes. Danny, stop acting like a tit (not saying you are a tit, just that you're acting like one) and speak.
peter bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
Wimbledon, Wimbledon Wimbledon - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 06:10:33 (PDT)
Plough Lane can happen. If you've got something to say, say it. Which drawing are you referring to?
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
London, - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 05:54:45 (PDT)
MD, I just want people to use their brains. Many state that PL can happen but the drawing WISA have I beleive are flawed. Look closer
Danny C
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 05:34:13 (PDT)
Danny, rather than trying to be clever why not just say what the flaw is with PL? I'm sure you are mistaken. The electricity pylon can be moved, the derelict office block knocked down (I believe Sam Hamman owns it?) and the travellers site rehoused (the Council have already got another site earmarked)
Martin D
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 05:17:07 (PDT)
Kris I suggest you look at those plans again for Plough Lane as there is one massive flaw in there that will never allow it to be built. Take a close look and see if you can spot it.
Danny C
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 05:11:33 (PDT)
I'm not sure the "commercial advantages" are quite so enormous, and also I'm not sure that a leasing arrangement would rule out exploiting some of those advantages anyway, Ralph. The reason WISA talks about Plough Lane is (a) because we have shown what can be done there and (b) because unless and until PL is ruled out for good reasons, no-one has any business looking at anywhere else. But that's not to say we don't keep an eye out on what's going on with all sorts of pieces of land all over the place.
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
London, - Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 04:56:21 (PDT)
I think the leasing of any stadium in the future must be a no no, because the commercial advantages are severly reduced. That much is evident from SP. I think the campaign should be focused on a stadium and not soley on PL because other solutions may be missed by the blinkeredness (if that is a word!!!!).
Ralph Malph
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 04:28:56 (PDT)
And I forgot to mention that whilst WISA have fought a terrific campaign (even the usual knockers must have been impressed by Sunday) I believe the principled and consistent stance taken by the Football League has done most to stop MK. Whether they would have stuck quite so rigidly to their rules if the fans weren't so adamant is a moot point.
Martin D
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 04:11:11 (PDT)
Ralph, Brighton have shown that virtually any sports ground can host a successful (and now Div 1) football league team as long as they have the backing of the local council and community. But I do believe our best bet is to get a consortium to buy or rent the PL site. If we have a site we can use temporary seating like Brighton or build a very basic stand for the minimum cost. There are many options and we all need to get involved. I wish you would get involved as we could really use someone with your experience of running a club. Don't forget anything is possible. Look at Charlton.
Martin D
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 04:08:07 (PDT)
MD - that is the first time I have seen any WFC fan mention building a stadium away from PL. Sadly I never think it will be available or affordable to us supporters :-/
However I agree with Danny, I can't see any new guy being any different. And I think he'll sink the club to spite the fans who are responsible for MK not happening :-/
Ralph Malph
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 03:58:03 (PDT)
Danny, I completely understand your concerns and I share them. BUT removing Koppel would show that our protests have worked, whoever they replace him with and whatever happens next. It is just the first step that we may have taken in what will be a very long and difficult journey with only a slight chance of successful completion. If we can remove Koppel, then we can remove the Nogs. If we can remove the Nogs, we can build a consortium of all interested parties in Merton. If we can build a consortium, we can buy Plough Lane/another site. If we can buy a site, we can build some sort of stadium. If we can build a stadium, then we can begin to build up a decent team again. Our only future is in this course back in Wimbledon IMO.
Maritn D
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 03:42:12 (PDT)
Paul, "late doggy penalty"? Made me laugh mate :) BTW We should have had a pen as well (even their Yank 'keeper thought we should have) and there's was definitely a pen - the defender should have walked. Now on to read the new posts...
Martin D
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 03:29:43 (PDT)
Why is everyone getting excited and pleased that Koppel could be sacked by the owners???? A couple of things he is a shareholder and has more of an influence than the English direcors. If he does go then the Norweigans will bring in someone else to complete their plans. They will not listen to us just a Koppel hasn't because they want MK. Therefore if Koppel goes there will be another face to hate and not one thing will change or improve. If people think otherwise then they are being very stupid. The Norweigans will kill the Club and not a single supporter or fans group will be able to sustain it as a pro club.
Danny C
- Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 01:09:28 (PDT)
Thought you may have been in court after your attempt at cutting Darren's hair on Sunday :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 13:42:01 (PDT)
Meeting with various interesting people atm. I'll say no more. Must be important for me to be wearing a suit! And what's important to me atm?
Ronan
- Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 12:56:08 (PDT)
Ronan - I understand that it was said that refunds would be made of remaining money if a change of location was made, but wasn't present. - By the way I hear you were in a suit today so what was it 1) Court appearance :) 2) Job Interview 3) New Job ?
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 12:35:47 (PDT)
What wasn't mentioned though (AFAIK) is the possibility of us taking the money out of the account if MK goes through. As somebody involved in the software business, that's what we normally do if we enter into a contract with a company that is slightly dodgy financially (support agreements etc). I've even known source code to be put in escrow in case a company goes bust.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 12:16:49 (PDT)
Sean - My understanding of an escrow account is that it is basically ringfenced from the rest of the clubs money. Then after each game the equilavant of 1/23 of what you had paid would be taken from each person. I would imagine that this would mean that the club couldn't spend the money up front. But if I'm wrong i'm sure that one of our accountancy people will put us right :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster"itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 12:05:20 (PDT)
Season tickets hmm Mr Koppel is so not worried aboutthe recommendation to boycott that already within a week he has: Proposed setting up an "ESCROW" acct (details of which I do not profess to understand) which would hold the money till the season starts. When told this was not good enuff he says oh we can change it so we get it after each game has been completed at 1/23rd per game). He has said he will write to all season ticket holders explaining the situation and if the account cant be set up prior to the 31.5.2002 deadline he will extend the first reduction period. And people think he hasnt got the squeeze on him yet. Personally I dont believe aword the guy says but then maybe thats just cos I was sat next to him on sunday and didnt like the way he failed ot make eye contact with anyone :)
As for the ballot I work for a living in a trade union that carries out similar sized ballots on pretty damn major issues such as industrial action, pay claims, terms and conditions changes etc. We have just finished two (with pre paid envelopes) and the turn out was 35%. Hope that gives someof the knockers out there an indication. Turnout in the last general election was 59% while in both the local and europeans it fell below 30% on average. It should also be acknowledged that the ballot had to be organised in double quick time and I am sure all would agree WISA did miracles in turning round ballot papers on a saturday quicly enuff so they arrived on a Monday morning, that is called dedication to the cause and should be praised not criitcised.
Oh and I voted against in case you are making assumptions, but I will accept the verdict of the majority as I indicated at the meeting, because I believe in democracy and collectivism :)
Sean Fox (seanphilfox@aol.com)
- Tuesday, April 23, 2002 at 11:48:48 (PDT)
Mild was man of the match at Wolves...for them! As for the Daily Sport, I was of the opinion that everyone already boycotted it? Mainly because it is total rubbish.
Martin D
- Monday, April 22, 2002 at 06:56:11 (PDT)
Should everyone now boycott the Daily Sport as its centre pages have a young lass (almost) flagrantly wearing boycotted merchandise?
Sweaty
- Monday, April 22, 2002 at 04:22:53 (PDT)
Hakan Mild MOTM for the Wolves game? hmmm, some fixing going on here me thinks.
The Real Hash
- Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 14:47:08 (PDT)
WELL DONE TO THE WFC SUPPORTERS TODAY I THINK WE MADE OURSELF HEARD!
James (howards@tinyworld.co.uk)
London, U.K - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 14:20:36 (PDT)
Avid Dons fan since mid 70's. Live in Sth. Wales now (Barry / Cardiff area, but still get to quite afew games each season, home and away. Any Dons fans ever in this neck of the woods, get in touch. Cheers to you all, JOHN
John Rourke (john.rourke45@btopenworld.com)
Wales, U.K. - Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 10:53:09 (PDT)
REPD: "a majority of decent WFC sites - plus SW19" Love it Rob! ;o)
Martin D
- Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 16:02:40 (PDT)
The haircut fund raiser is standing at £423 at the mo lets get it above £500 before it starts. Pledge Here
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 13:23:55 (PDT)
Dont forget the Yellow T shirts Sunday £3.00 get the shirt get down the front and give the evil one plenty, by the way W&WW is back
Down the front crew
- Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 09:57:32 (PDT)
Edinburgh Don, the word is not conviction. It is "Bollocks." Not one of them have enough to stand up for us, the common man. It's the same old story( and I'm a socialist), "Stick the red flag up your arse, I've got the foreman's job at last."
TW
- Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 08:42:30 (PDT)
I think the FA has the overriding power in terms of what happens in English football and I think it would be difficult for Football League to decided on any move when some chairman are suggesting that Rangers/Celtic could join the league. I dont know when the FA are due to meet next and what process it would take. They may decided to hold an AGM and let all chairman vote on the issue.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 06:46:20 (PDT)
right i need answers! My dons are in limbo... and i dint like it.. i would appreciate it if people would put my mind at ease and tell me thier opinions on whether the fact the FL have refered the case to the FA! IS THIS A GOOD SIGN ? I AM UNDECIDED.... GIMME FACTS BOYS..... IF ITS GOOD FOR US NO WAY MK PEOPLE WHY IS ? I NEED ANSWERS
Essex Don (hunkypaul@hotmail.com)
Southend, Essex England - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 06:22:01 (PDT)
The FL obviously still believe the answer should be "No" to MK, they just lack the authority/conviction to stamp on it once and for all. They turn CK down again, he keeps the whole stupid process going. This comission should give us a once and for all answer, as if the FA won't allow it, surely the Nogs will have to concede, but will they turn them down? On the other hand, the FL taking a stand protecting football's traditions could come under fire if, as strongly rumoured, they allow the 'old firm' to join the League. We've known it for a long time, but the game is being ripped apart by the money men. I am now convinced that it's only a matter of when, not if, Milton Keynes United Vs Celtic is on the fixture list.
Edinburgh Don
- Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 05:52:25 (PDT)
Colin , Nice to see you on the site I know we have moved on to Yellow and Blue now but still miss Yidaho and still wear my "Gone but not forgotten" plough lane t-shirt gutted never got the "Hard but Fair - Vinnie is innocent" t-shirt that I think was also a Yidaho production :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 05:37:14 (PDT)
Although it was not the response from the FL we were hoping for,it could work out in our favour.It says that this is not just about Wimbledon but football as a whole.How long will it take fot a commission to be set up and all the evidence heard? Far too long for CK. By the time this is all completed we could have ownership of PL and be half way to building the stadium,weakening CK's case even further. The press release from the FL states that the commission will look at whether franchised football is good for supporters. Clearly it is not. I would also imagine that people like WISA and the FSA will be allowed to state their opinions to the commission. The more the FL and FA pass the buck,the worse for CK. A decision to allow franchising will further alienate the fans,the reason football exists. You can't make money if no-one watches your product.
Colin Leonard
Lewisham, - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 05:11:19 (PDT)
Would it not be a good idea for the various people to get on the FA's backs about making a decision? This is driving me crazy. How can a simple word such as 'NO' take so long to agree on?
Seedy
- Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 05:08:50 (PDT)
I too can't help noticing that a majority of decent WFC sites - plus SW19 - go down whenever something major happens. Personally, I reckon Koppel is a shareholder in the company who runs it, ordering it to shut down on major occasions to test our patience to the point that we eventually give in over MK. Or something. A 40% turnout ain't bad when you also consider people had practically less than a week to return their forms. By the logic given on here, next time a by-election gets less than a 30% turnout the result should be null and void. One final thing - it would be highly and hugely ironic if Koppout's threat of legal action makes it impossible to give a decision at all, scuppering this move once and for all. The FL could have said "yes" last night but didn't. Perhaps this is just a case of ignoring the problem until it goes away
REPD (repd@repd.net)
Davenport, FL - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 04:44:00 (PDT)
As Martin D says it silly to say if 38% is a good turnout or not people will always argue what they want their is a quote dont know if it's true that "when polled 80% of people dont believe statistics" well I like it anyway. Regarding the FA any idea when they might even start to look at it. Yet again I see that WISA & W&WW are down when something big happens do we know why or is it planned matanience (yes I know I cant spell :) )
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 04:07:37 (PDT)
This is so ridiculous. Neither the FA or the FL has the guts to say once and for all that WFC cannot move to MK for fear of legal action. They're all doing their Pontius Pilate impressions. As for the poll 38% is a good turnout for a paid postal ballot according to experts in this field. You can argue with that all you want but I really can't see the point.
Martin D
- Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 02:20:50 (PDT)
So the saga rolls on with the League chucking it back to the F.A. Between them they're keeping this ball up in the air longer than the old "Crazy Gang".
TW
- Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 02:01:14 (PDT)
With WISA, W&WW, and SW19 down atm, just checking you've all heard the news that the FL are referring the matter back to an FA commission.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 01:58:48 (PDT)
We have not had a poll, we have not asked WISA members if they will be buying season tickets next season. We have asked them if they think that WISA's official position should be to recommend that Wimbledon fans shouldn't buy a season ticket for next year. The result was conclusive. The only comparable ballot in WISA's history was when we asked people if we should hold a boycott of WFC (ltd) merchandise. That was done by hands in the air in a meeting. A far smaller proportion of the membership voted for that, but no-one's questioned it. I'm sick to death of people who are not brave enough to put their names to a message that slaggs of what WISA are doing. Assuming people are generally in favour with the aims of WISA (see our constitution), please add something constructive to your criticism so we can improve. Nameless sniping at people brave enough to stick their neck out and do constructive physical things to stop Milton Keynes is not helpful.
Peter Bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
Wimbledon, Wimbledon Wimbledon - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 01:58:28 (PDT)
Sod the fact the OCM poll return rate is an average 40% - that's when they poll people about stuff like "Who will you vote for", this was an item-sepecific vote aimed solely at those people who had a vested interest in the outcome. It's bollocks
Bloody thing
- Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 01:29:13 (PDT)
Danny has a point though. 38% IS crap. Sod the
That'll be me again
Oh and you want experience? Well I was returning officer for Kingston (South) in 92. , - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 14:06:32 (PDT)
Come on guys! Stop bitching at each other. Sunday is my last game with the Dons, after forty one years. Get together. Kevin, or Brighton Womble, get real! You have the right idea but the wrong way about going about it. Surely, we are all in this together? Yet, we come on this, and other sites, and argue. United we stand!
TW
- Friday, April 19, 2002 at 12:20:07 (PDT)
Danny, buy yourself a season ticket. Give Koppel your money. Go to Milton Keynes/Northampton next season. See if we care. If you don't like democracy, go and live in Iraq.
Martin D
- Friday, April 19, 2002 at 11:58:14 (PDT)
Danny, is your pitiful opinion based on any facts? Do you know a lot about elections and ballots then? You obviously know much more than the ERS and ICM about voting behaviour. I despair of people like you.
Martin D
- Friday, April 19, 2002 at 11:55:48 (PDT)
Martin, my %'s weren't not quite in line with the ERS, but what we both say about returns underlines what a spectacular turnout it really was.
Kevin Rye
This was democracy in action, - Friday, April 19, 2002 at 09:39:07 (PDT)
Danny and the rest of people slating the turnout on the ballot (not just here), if ANY organisation managed to get a result of 15% on a postal ballot without pre-paid return envelopes they'd be overjoyed. When I was a researcher I worked with a local authority on surveying and recently with ICM on the WISA poll, and the common return for postal surveying and ballots is around 8-10% WITH pre-paid envelopes. I know it might seem like a bit of a pathetic attempt to answer people's criticisms, but this really was an amazing percentage of voters. We got a higher turnout than the vast majority of council elections will.
Kevin Rye (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Friday, April 19, 2002 at 09:36:38 (PDT)
Danny - as someone posted on another guest book, the % of return's for the WISA ST vote is high (statistics prove this), especially considering the time frame. As I posted here yesterday why are people always looking for negatives and ready to Knock WISA in anything they do? it utterly amazes me, there are people slogging their guts out to get us back where we belong and then there are people who seem to revel in coming on here and knocking all the work that has gone into the campaign
Hutch
- Friday, April 19, 2002 at 09:15:39 (PDT)
Danny - what on earth are you on about? It was a poll for WISA members - not the borough of merton! You can work out the percentages yourself to see how many ballots were sent out. And of course, I'm sure one of us will post here soon how many ballots arrived in the post late next time we check it. Seeing as we are still getting POTY forms, I think it says quite a bit about the postal system, and WISA members understanding of how it works! All IMO of course.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Friday, April 19, 2002 at 08:47:55 (PDT)
Martin D you are relly clutching at straws with that excuse for the wisa poll. The return was p155 poor and can not be held as 80% of wfc fans back a boycott, less than 40% voted only 525. that only works out at a tiny percentage considering wisa and their icm poll state there is 18000 dons fans out there. but you will now realise that spin works in always because i have just proved that that poll means naff all.
Danny
- Friday, April 19, 2002 at 08:40:35 (PDT)
so who is up for buying the Yellow T shirt and down the front, it is our last game to make a statement dont waste it, get the T shirt buy Y&B get the balloons all for under a fiver, bargain
Koppell and his lackeys out
- Friday, April 19, 2002 at 08:36:16 (PDT)
Once again - without their being any games, Y and B/WISA etc can't let (non WISA) people know of the boycott, so any decision had to be made before the end of the season I am sure that you like most dons would rather pay an extra £30 odd for your season ticket safe in the knowledge that Koppell and his plans were long gone - I know I would
Hutch
- Friday, April 19, 2002 at 08:27:16 (PDT)
Well, as I say, I will abide by the consenusus. My main reason for not voting FOR was down to the fact that I felt it was too early to decide on whether we should buy or not - the first deadline isn't until end of May when a decision may (hardy har har)have been reached. Ergo, we may not be doing this for a reason, see?
Once again I post
- Friday, April 19, 2002 at 08:21:20 (PDT)
Martin D, couldn't agree more! by buying a season ticket IMO you are saying that all is well at WFC and you look forward to supporting the club anywhere, you are putting your faith in the club if you like. The convenience of having your own seat and not having to find the money/queue up every week is nowhere near excuse enough for me.
Hutch
- Friday, April 19, 2002 at 07:06:18 (PDT)
Along with Kris I applaud and respect all those who voted against the boycott yet will abide by the democratic choice. What needs to be said though is that there are still people who want the benefit of reduced ticket prices through the purchase of an ST for obvious financial reasons. To these people I would say, wake up, stop being naive. This fight has gone way beyond just attending football matches or saving the price of a pint per game. Ask yourself if you will travel to the MK Bowl or Northampton to watch the matches in your season ticket because it might come to that.
Martin D
- Friday, April 19, 2002 at 06:04:57 (PDT)
Right lads, some facts. The Electoral Reform Services (ERS) perform a massive number of independent ballots and elections. They expect about a 40% return rate for postal ballots, and that when return postage is FREE using business reply envelopes (ask them if you don't believe me). Therefore the turnout in the WISA ballot was actually ABOVE average considering people had to PAY postage.
Martin D
- Friday, April 19, 2002 at 06:00:09 (PDT)
Same person as before, does that mean we're not entitled to criticise you for making those choices? If you put yourself in that place, then expect to be criticised. I've noticed that those who oppose ST/Merchandising Boycotts etc are the ones who seem to get the most upitty. Funny that. Is that becuase you're defending the indefensible?
Model Citizen
- Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 09:07:26 (PDT)
Can you help? WISA need as many people as possible to hand out protest leaflets, 4000 black balloons, and sell thousands of yellow protest t-shirts. Please e-mail me on lukeyboymac@blueyonder.co.uk if you can spare a couple of hours. We are meeting at the ground at 12-12.15. Please mail me for more details. Many thanks
Lukeyboy (lukeyboymac@blueyonder.co.uk)
- Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 05:34:19 (PDT)
Same Person - you should be commended for not buying a ST against what you would rather do. The only comment I can make to those who still don't know what to do is "CK would rather you bought a season ticket" if that doesn't make peoples mind up then IMO they support MK. WISA will probably look at ways of balloting more efficiently (email maybe) in future but in the circumstances and given the time frame I don't think their was anymore they could have done. Remember WISA are fighting for all of us, their is one real enemy and it is not the dons fans doing there bit to save our club
Hutch
- Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 04:42:05 (PDT)
Same Person - you should be commended for not buying a ST against what you would rather do. The only comment I can make to those who still don't know what to do is "CK would rather you bought a season ticket" if that doesn't make peoples mind up then IMO they support MK. WISA will probably look at ways of balloting more efficiently (email maybe) in future but in the circumstances and given the time frame I don't think their was anymore they could have done. Remember WISA are fighting for all of us, their is one real enemy and it is not the dons fans doing there bit to save our club
Hutch
- Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 04:35:28 (PDT)
Danny - the club makes a loss anyway. If the owners want to keep the players, then they will pay to keep them, and if they don't, they won't. I can't see it making any difference. Koppel is going to waste money on trying to kill my club, and I don't want him to get that money up front, during the summer when he has no other income, from me. Plus, he wants to move away from next season anyway, and if he doesn't get his way he'll close the club and I'd lose my money. But anyway, we've been through all the arguments. The only thing to decide now is whether to stay strong by sticking together and not buying season tickets or to help Koppel out by breaking ranks. And huge respect to those who were against the ST boycott and have decided to go along with the decision.
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
London, - Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 04:32:27 (PDT)
Then I misunderstood some of you rpost, oh mystery one. No, whether or not you were at the meeting doesn't make your opinion any more or less valid in this context. I was just wondering if you'd spoken. The turnout was good for that kind of ballot under those kind of circumstances (ask anyone who organises these things regularly), and I can't see it being used to any great effect by Koppel. But it's more likely to be if we go on about it.
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
London, - Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 04:28:13 (PDT)
I can't quite understand why buying a ST or a yellow top will make a war chest for CK. The money brought in will surely be used to pay wages of players and staff. Therefore if there no money coming in, it means the likes of Trond, Jobi, Kelvin will have to be sold just to pay the running costs. The war chest of which WISA speak about will be kept entirely seprate from the Club money, surely.
Danny C (haven't got one just internet access)
- Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 04:24:15 (PDT)
No, you're both twisting what I said (and personally I don't think anything I said gave anyone a bad name). Basically, I (along with a few others) voted against it. Yes I was there at Selhurst-does that make it okay? Obviously I will support the boycott, as nowhere in that post did I say I wouldn't. My point is that I was gutted by the turnout of ballots - was that SO wrong? Alright I went off on one on my postscript, but REALLY!
Same person as before
- Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 04:00:36 (PDT)
Playing into CK's Hands - that is exactly the type of post that rightly or wrongly gives this guestbook a bad name. So instead of being positive about WISA you are looking straight to the negative side (i.e the turnout for the ballot). Will you support the vote and not buy a ST? or will you help fund CK's war chest by giving him £200 up front? Also you have bought the shirt this season (further funding CK) and wonder why you get abuse - not saying it is right but anyone wearing/buying the shirt this season is seen to be associating themselves closely with the club, Koppell and MK. if you think that their is a better alternative to WISA for getting us back to Plough Lane then please let people know otherwise support the cause or support CK, IMO there cannot be any fence sitting anymore.
Hutch
- Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 03:26:56 (PDT)
Playing into CK's hands? Yes, I think you are. If you're planning to break the boycott and buy a season ticket, that is. Did you come to the meeting, by the way?
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
London, - Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 03:09:50 (PDT)
"Number returned by 1 PM Tuesday April 16th - 525 = 38.4% of those sent out"
Which means to me that from roughly 1,600 ballots, 1,075 DID NOT BOTHER. That is appalling and I'm gutted. I would have thought more people would be bothered about this - seems you just can't stop apathy
Playing into CK's Hands if you ask me, 38%? Abysmal.
And yes, I DID return my ballot, but as it is secret, I don't want to tell you who I am, for I voted AGAINST a ST boycott and, TBH, know the sort of crap I'll get for dooing so. I own a yellow shirt and got abuse THROUGHOUT the season and don't say "It's your own fault" because to me, you're saying "Have your own opinion. You're WRONG, but have it anyway" which, to my mind, is rubbish, - Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 02:05:04 (PDT)
Wolves 1 Dons 0. The champagne corks are popping in Norway! Also see TB's comments on the official website following the defeat. Still spouting the same old crap about having to learn our lessons from this season ( Why? nothing was learnt from last season ). The man never displays an ounce of passion. Joe Kinnear's white, orange and blue army!
Suffolk Don
- Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 12:52:11 (PDT)
Paul - I totally agree!
Jamie
- Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 09:26:37 (PDT)
Paul, sorry, got a bit carried away there - must be Ralph doing it that's getting me going :) It really wasn't supposed to be a pop, although for once it seems to be you getting your knickknacks in a knot instead of me.
Brighton Womble
- Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 08:27:41 (PDT)
Jamie - I dont understand why Celtic would want to come into the nationwide surley a club a brilliant as them should just be give the champions league trophy so that the likes of Man U, Real M and Bayern dont have the distress of losing to them in the real competition :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 08:15:29 (PDT)
Paul - I reckon he thinks they will stay in the Premier League and he knows that Celtic will go straight up to the Prem as champions with a record total of points!! As for Rangers they will be in the Conference within 4 years!
Jamie
- Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 07:59:21 (PDT)
BW - "Sloppy journalism" I personally thought Paul R response to that Wolves webmaster was pretty good, did u read it?
Jamie
- Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 07:57:13 (PDT)
I knew GR of bradford had invited Rangers and Celtic to play in the Nationwide but now I see that the WBA chairman has aswell does this mean he doesn't think they will go up or they will back soon? :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 07:18:05 (PDT)
Hmmm. Personally I don't think posting just to wind people up is really worthwhile. And if I decided to post anonymously as some hilarious name that Ralph Malph is no good at his job and a naive, ignorant, repressed, frantic and stupid child I wouldn't think it entirely unreasonable for you to get offended and post some come-back.
Martin D
- Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 07:16:14 (PDT)
Ralph - do I sense some budding poet inside dying to get out? Or is it just a trivial pursuit?
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 07:12:14 (PDT)
BW - I must be honest I used to like winding you up on here is was so easy. I mean this in the nicest possible way man, CHILL, before you make yourself ill. Most of my posts were as I state to wind you up and I apologise, but seriously you are working hard for the cause and it is appreciated but don't react to everything someone says, otherwise you leave yourself exposed like Darren Holloway used too at right back.
Ralph Malph (Keepin' it real homies on a gangsta tip)
- Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 07:08:07 (PDT)
BW - I dont have a problem with WISA far from it ask a number of the people that I regularly speak to!! As I said earlier I am sure that people are aware that the WISA site is updated regularly and will visit it and if they check the newsnow service that is on this site (as well as WISA site) they can see when the wisa site is updated!!
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 07:02:37 (PDT)
Spam
Brighton Womble
Being very childish, - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 06:58:00 (PDT)
Paul, will you stop getting so uppity. I am making sure people know it's been updated. Stop being so precious. Anyone would think you have a problem with WISA.
Brighton Womble
As for sloppy journalism, what have you written that's any good, 'your worst nightmare' (ooh, I'm scared!), - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 06:56:58 (PDT)
I have just had to remove a post on here I hope we are not going to go back to the days when I had to remove lots of posts.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 06:43:10 (PDT)
Steve - regarding any announcement it seems to be that the only announcement that may be made to day is how or when the next step of the disscussions will proceed. We will not have a yes or no today or in the near future.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 06:25:07 (PDT)
Loved the fact that on W&WW that it was WFC's fault that a Fulham shirt was given away as a prize by Argos. Biggest losers in history some of that lot. Oh and, after WISA put up their new news about Nike, I note (with hilarity) that, despite Some bloke called Wheeler demanding a Nike Boycott (oh yeah, are we boycotting Footballers Wives yet, as Andy Roberts' missus is in it and he is pro MK?), the webmaster on w&ww has said that it might not be true. D'oh.
Very pissed off Don
If I wanted to read the WISA site Mr Womble, I would go there - hint taken?, - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 06:18:27 (PDT)
Just looking to see if there's any news on the League decision about this ridiculous idea of moving to MK. Good luck in fighting it !
Steve Hooper (shooper@matrix-logic.co.uk)
London, UK - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 06:05:44 (PDT)
Ralph - 'good' comments if a little strong. WISA & DT work with the council because (a) they are the local council (b) they support us (c) they can answer lots of questions we can't (d) the first quesion any potential investor will ask is what do the council think? Without the council, our campaign would be non-existant. And of course, although we are looking for investors ourselves, the council are more likely to attract them, being experienced in the area of planning permission, large scale investment etc. All of this is IMO, and not an official WISA statement as usual. I understand what you are saying - but quite simply they back us, and the club don't. I'd happily deal with Osama Bin Laden if he could get us a stadium at home.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 05:55:03 (PDT)
MD - couldn't agree more but I feel you are being disparaging to the Club we support and you are hoping to save by caling pathetic. I know I will be jumped on for this but why are WISA always stating they will work with the council? I know in time any return to PL would need their support. This reliance on them at this time is a waste of energy. If WFC fans want commercial partners use WISA and th DT to attract them because MC will be of no help whatsoever. I believe the people at WISA & DT have more clout than the clowns and puppets that masquarade as councillors, who are only in it for their own self importance.
Ralph Malph
- Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 05:37:21 (PDT)
Hey, let's hide behind a stupid made up name and then abuse someone who is doing what he can to save this pathetic excuse for a club.
Martin D
- Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 05:13:13 (PDT)
Christ this is tedious, Brighton Womble - who are you? who are you? who are you? BW I can see you... Everywhere you go I'm there... Some rather slipshod journalism I feel young man...
Your Worst Nightmare
- Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 05:10:58 (PDT)
I love the way whenever there is a football league meeting, everyone gets very tetchy and starts fighting over the most minor of things. It's kicking off on all the guestbooks today.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 04:54:56 (PDT)
MD - Cheers, my post does mention updates every day Ronan never did that. I also had email contact with Ronan about the posts about updates. It would appear that WISA News is going to be updated most days so I would imagine that people will go their on a regular basis.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 03:53:26 (PDT)
To be fair Paul, Ronan did post that he had updated the WISA News section, he just didn't update it quite so often! ;o)
Martin D
- Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 03:47:02 (PDT)
BW - More Spam, Now WISA is listed on News Now people can see that their is new news on the wisa site. Do you need to put everyday that you have updated the WISA NEWS section, Ronan never did when he was doing updates, people will visit the site anyway if they no there are regular updates.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 03:20:44 (PDT)
WISA News Updated - Boycott Poll Result IN!!!http://www.wisa.org.uk/cgi/l/articles/index.cgi?action=show&id=53
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Wednesday, April 17, 2002 at 03:01:01 (PDT)
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