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Anyone listen to the Radio 5 discussion about Bury last night. Gefforey Richmond (Bradford Chairman) was on he said their last year in the premiership the wage bill was £14 million per year but once relegated they reduced it to £7 million said Carbone was on about £40k per week! said even though they had reduced the wage bill in half they would still lose money this year.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 23:58:36 (PST)
Another Dons hero slams the fans and states that MK is the only way, read Alan Kimble's statement on W&WW news, not very good reading
Wibbly Don
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 23:57:46 (PST)
Stuart, you're quite easy to 'debate' with, because whenever I attempt to discuss something in a reasoned and well constructed manner with you, you just crumble. 'we are all as bad as each other really' says a lot mate.
Brighton Womble
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 17:44:43 (PST)
The member of staff on the boat trip was Paul Crosbie and yes he is still at the club. As you can imagine club staff keep their views regarding MK to themself due to the fact that they have jobs in the club and dont want to be seen on either side of the fence. I chat to Paul regularly but we dont really discuss MK. Hope thats cleared that up.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 12:39:44 (PST)
Ralph, thier is no question that if a Premier league team had come in they would have gone beffore you could say 'wheres the loyalty'.... I think they will hold out as long as possible and see what happens. End of the day, there is no law saying that if we acceot a bid from anyone that they have to go is there. If you have a good contract why leave???
stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 09:02:58 (PST)
Stu - you sicken me. Does your future wife know what your like? :) Why is everyone thinking because Trond and Coops didn't go they are sticking 2 fingers up behind CK's back? Given the choice living down here or in Brum where would you choose? And besides I know people who say that Megson is generally hated by all who play under him. So that may apply for Cooper too. An Aberdeen mate of mine whop kept in touch with Colin Woodthorpe when he moved back down to County. Woodthorpe said Megson was a FCUKing Cee U Next Tuesday, and all the lads hated him. Coops was there at that time. Sadly I feel if it had been clubs in the PL they may have gone.
Ralph Malph
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 08:49:23 (PST)
Hutch, I understand what you are saying mate, but we have used the same tactics on the big teams as they have on us. The season before last we thrased Birmingham, Sheffield Weds and got a diputable draw at Fulham using the tactics. This year we have beat West Brom, Man City, Millwall and Birmingham on their own patch using the tactics. So you argument about beating the big clubs is not as true as you think. The wingers have to come inside most of the time because their is simply no-one in the box to cross it to. Shipperley always drops of to get the ball and you normally find Connolly going into the space he has left. I wish we did have wingers that can go past their full back, and I have no doubt the ones we have can, but first we need someone to aim for. Ralph, Im no Perv, I just love ladies even though I has just got engaged, Fourtunately she wont check on here!!!! I dont know why we didnt do Kids for a quid day on dome of the big games. I heard Graham Rix wanted the home match with Pompey to be Kids for a Quid because he would of given you a tenner for just one :-) Under my overcoat dangling free... my name is ..... would you like a sweatie.
stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 08:17:32 (PST)
Stu - it would appear from the large majority of your post's you are a prev of some sort. Are you on any registers we should know about? :) It's Kids for a £ on saturday against stockport - are you sure? what is the point of that then? anyone know why this is happening? why didn't it happen for Wolves, palarse and City?
Ralph Malph
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 07:59:12 (PST)
who was the member of staff that was on the trip that day? if he is still there whats his opinion on mk? why has he not spoken out?
Fulham Boat Trip (youcanstickmkupyourarse@ck.com)
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 07:56:13 (PST)
We have a great number of players who have international experience - Trond, Kenny, Mild, Hughes, Willo, Connolly then we have players with Prem League experience Shipps, Holloway etc so I don't think lack of experience in a playoff situation would be a factor at all. Stu the reason I question TB's tactics is simple - we have good wingers, we don't use them properly, they come inside too much and slow the play down which enables the opposition to get behind the ball in matches at Selhurst. WBA, Norwich, Wolves and Coventry all beat us using EXACTLY the same tactics, which were the same tactics Blackburn, WBA, and Bolton used last year (IMO we do not do better against the better teams) when teams sit back you need to beat full backs and get crosses in for strikers moving towards goal not standing with their backs to big defenders or waiting for a cross (which will rarely come) to come in and being outnumbered
Hutch
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 07:56:00 (PST)
I must admit I have only seen his home appearences and I remember people were singing his praies for the Barnsely game. I personally would put Trond and Francis in midfield if I had my way. I just think Mild looks slow and things pass him by. Granted he may have an injury and you dont win 70 caps for Sweden without at least having blonde hair :-) shit, sorry thats the birds national team!!! Has anyone seen the ladies in there??? Different subject, another day though...
stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 07:24:17 (PST)
Stu - I disagree with you over Mild. The man has had over 70 caps for Sweden. You don't play that many internationals for a Country like that without being a good player. He is obviously carrying an injury at the minute and probably has his mind set on Japan & Korea. I saw his debut at Barnsley and he was our best player that day. But once again he is another player who gets injured upon arrival and keeps breaking down. I think there is a pattern here.
Ralph Malph
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 07:15:48 (PST)
Sorry Ralph, didnt read your post correctly. The players I think that are in the first 16 and are not needed or need replacing in my opinion are... Ardley, Shipperley, Wilmott, Gier, and the other previously.
stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 07:15:21 (PST)
Can I go first about the players that TB brought and were pointless. I think Micheal Thomas, Ian Selley, Mild, thats it really. What about you lot??
stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 07:04:56 (PST)
Stu - I was meaning players lacked experience of the play-off scenario. Look how long it took the likes of CPFC, Ipswich, Leicester to get it right. I think that is our lack of experience that cost us and will probably do so again. But too many points have been wasted. PB & Spikey I wouldn't worry about MK it isn't going to happen. PB - football all over is crewed finacially not just us as CK claims. Could you tell me which players you think are rubbish or unecessary, see if they match mine.
Ralph Malph
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 06:07:39 (PST)
THE LATEST NEWS IS THAT MK COUNCIL IS A WOUNDED ANIMAL HAVING HUMILIATINGLY FAILED TO GET CITY STAUS TODAY.
IT IS REFOCUSING PLANS TO MOVE THE BLETCHLEY STADIUM FORWARDS ON A FAST-TRACK BASIS. THIS WILL MEAN MOVING THE MK DONS DEBATE FORWARD AND ENSURING WIMBLEDON FC ARE MOVE TO MK. EXPECT FIREWORKS FROM KOPPEL, WINKLEMAN AND THE COUNCIL AND BE PREPARED, THE BATTLE IS ONLY JUST ABOUT TO BEGIN!
SPIKEY (SPIKEY@AOL.COM)
CYBERSPACE, - Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 05:37:51 (PST)
THE LATEST NEWS IS THAT MK COUNCIL IS A WOUNDED ANIMAL HAVING HUMILIATINGLY FAILED TO GET CITY STAUS TODAY.
IT IS REFOCUSING PLANS TO MOVE THE BLETCHLEY STADIUM FORWARDS ON A FAST-TRACK BASIS. THIS WILL MEAN MOVING THE MK DONS DEBATE FORWARD AND ENSURING WIMBLEDON FC ARE MOVE TO MK. EXPECT FIREWORKS FROM KOPPEL, WINKLEMAN AND THE COUNCIL AND BE PREPARED, THE BATTLE IS ONLY JUST ABOUT TO BEGIN!
SPIKEY (SPIKEY@AOL.COM)
CYBERSPACE, - Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 05:37:03 (PST)
getting into the playoffs and eventually getting back into the premier would be a nightmare 2 fold, 1. it would certainly move the goalposts in Koppells favour and withthe team we have now unfortunately I think that they would come straight back down where as another year in the Nationwide would give all the youngsters another year to gain experiance, just look at Fulham completely murdered the opposition last year spent mega bucks and they still look very mediocre in the Premier
Wibbly Don
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 05:36:50 (PST)
oops, got the spelling wrong. sorry Stuart. Must be thinking of Mr WISA chair.
Peter Bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
Wimbledon, Wimbledon Wimbledon - Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 05:01:29 (PST)
Stewart, another 2 years will only lead to the same problems other clubs such as Halifax are having if we have the same chairman in charge.
Just after we got relegated there was endless talk from Koppel about a three year plan, how it would be a bonus if we were to get promoted in the first season, rather nice if we were promoted in the second season, and expected in the third season. They knew exactly what would happen to our parachute payments. The only reason we are operating at such a huge loss is that the club is being woefully mismanaged. 7 million a year apparently. But will Kopple tell us how much the following costs: His wages, the German's wages, Brunswick, Dan Tench. Okay, I don't expect it to be the full 7, but what about the fact that we've bought players who are rubbish/completely unnecessary. And don't let anyone forget the words 'Big loan from Norway at a very high interest rate'. I wouldn't be suprised if the '£20,000' a day was partly made up of interest we are paying to our owners for money that they lent to us. But we can't presume that can we, Lets have a look at the accounts.... hold on.... they've not been posted... quelle suprise.
Peter Bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
Wimbledon, Wimbledon Wimbledon - Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 04:59:25 (PST)
Ralph, do you think we need experienced players to get into the playoffs, or experience is needed once in the the playoff games????? I think once you get into the playoffs then it does help, but then again sometimes youngsters have an innocence that means they dont understand the pressure
stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 04:46:17 (PST)
Hutch - you make a very valid point, there is still an outside chance of the play-offs, and we could not have, on paper, an easier or better chance of winning all of those games. (Wolves will be in PL by the time we meet). I think our problem last season was we lacked players of experience. I mean, the only player in our ranks to have ever played in the play-offs was Roberts. I don't think our boys knew exactly what could be achieved and how to play for it and in the end that let us down. Anyway I blame TB for not letting Huddersfield win - Palace would be in Div 2 :)
Ralph Malph
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 04:41:52 (PST)
Nick, I agree with you that if we got promoted it could move the goal posts concerning the MK issue. Its a catch 22 situation though, because we have a better chance of getting our financial situation better with promotion. Another 2 years in this league and we will be Fcuked!!!!! I watched the goals revie on ITV Sport channel last night and it was worrying to see the state that Halifax, Bury and Hull were in. I watched the goals from the Halifax game and they only had 1200 people in which was the lowest Nationwide league gate this year. Their ground was a mess. The oposite side to the camera had a Stand that was half built with only a few seats in and looked embarresing. They said that they could not afford to continue to develop the satnd as they had no money. This is a club with their own ground but have no money to develop it. That could be us in 3 years and we have no ground to start of with.
stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 04:08:44 (PST)
Surely reaching the play-offs would be a disaster, Should we go up the Premier League will no doubt allow MK to go through, don't forget they were fine with the Dublin idea.
R Don
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 03:54:38 (PST)
Hutch, thats a liitle unfair to blame TB for not winning those games because of his tactics. Last season we had to virtualy put a championship run together to get into the play offs and we just failed. hink sometimes you have to blame the players and also our lack of any luck in those games. I will however blame TB on Substitutions because thats where I feel he falls flat on his face. The fixtures are good, but the bottom teams are not always the easiest to beat at this stage of the season. We play better against the top teams because they come to Selhurst trying to attack us. Stockport, Crewe and other will get behind the ball and we havent got the game to beat them. I suppose you can blame TB in a way as we are to one dimensinal. I sometimes wish we had a John Fashanu type player that we could get cheap goals from!!!
stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 03:53:34 (PST)
Paul IMO we are still in with a chance of making the playoffs and we couldn't ask for better fixtures to achieve it, but looking back over this and last season it is pretty clear to me that we will get into a position where it looks like we could still do it and then not win one of the "home" games, in a very similar way to last season when we failed to beat Huddersfield and Crewe, we don't seem to be able to do it for more than a couple of games and IMO TB is the person to blame because of his tactics
Hutch
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 03:37:07 (PST)
Brighton, (and Ronan, but this isn't directed at you)- If it wasn't for people like those employed in the club shop on a matchday, WISA would have died in 96/97 or similar. THEY are the ones that have set the platform up for you guys to carry on now that they can't. You want to get your priorities sorrted out. WISA membership was carried by the few back then, and at times there was talk of not bothering. But now it can be clearly seen as the template by which you all operate. You should be thanking these people, not standing outside the shop screaming JUDAS (which I had to explain to my 5-yr old on the way home that day). Oh and I DON'T CARE if any of that sort of business was carried out with or without the backing of WISA; prominent WISA members were involved and, as WISA has set itself up as "The voice of the fans", it seems that everything done is WISA based. Another gripe is the "He'll never see his kids..." line in some song. I have lodged a complaint with the club over this, because, as a father myself, I cannot BELIEVE people would stoop so low. Come on people (and okay it may not be anyone on here), sort it out! Rant over (with apologies to the webmaster!)
The same Tired old arguement
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 02:27:34 (PST)
Ronan, BW, just read through your posts, we are all as bad as each other really so I cant be arsed to comment on them. Just to point out I have returned to the shop after I have monitured all the events since I left due to the abuse to people after the Burnley game. If it upsets people, then so be it, but as I have always said, I support the campaign to go back to Pl and always will.
stuart d (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Thursday, March 14, 2002 at 01:18:05 (PST)
First of all, Ralph and Stuart, I have never been and am still not a WISA 'face'. I got involved in June/July last year partly due to having just moved back from Brighton and not having a job and wanting to have some input after the failed Wimbledon Theatre meeting. I actually joined in August last year, the evening the news leaked out about MK. I was previously not involved and didn't know anyone from 'WISA' except for recognising a few people like Marc Jones. Since then I have been involved an increasing amount because, again, partly because I do not have a FT job and because of what I believe to be right to do. As it stands, I am still not recognised or known by a lot of people as even involved in WISA, and I don't really care if I am. I just carry on with what I have to do and enjoy it. I get on with most (if not all) of the WISA committee and am proud to call a number of them my friends.
I hope that addresses some of your accusations of a 'clique'; Stuart, the interesting thing is that the same thing operates within the club shop staff for example (though you're no longer employed - you have a group of friends/colleagues who you regard as important in many ways). That is the same with me and I am a little bored to say the least of the 'closed shop' drivel you spout. And as for descending to insults mate, I think you're pretty culpable yourself. All in all, the way organisations like WISA operate are through regular meetings involving a cttee and that will always lead to certain suspicons on the part of a number of individuals and/or groups. I was well aware that WISA was regarded in this way by some when I got involved, but as there was no other organisation doing what they do around at the time, I joined and got involved. In the absence of any other body, I will continue - as will nearly 1 500 others, to campaign for what I believe to be right. What I resent is sniping from the sidelines and quite obviously a deep-rooted dislike of certain people in WISA and, perhaps, its 'philosophy'. Interestingly, it's the only organisation of it's type I've ever heard of that has no bar on membership or committee members. Are we cloaking ourselves behind a false mask? No, and you all know that's not the case. A clique is quite often the invention of a few people with grudges to bear. Over to you.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 15:33:47 (PST)
Ronan - No you dont have to produce e-mails etc showing past comments once again I think it's time that everyone chilled out a bit. So After last nights result does anyone think we can still make the playoffs :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 12:58:48 (PST)
Forgot to add - regarding abuse aimed at Paul, Stu etc. - you know I don't do that (or anytime I did, I apologised). I hasten to add (again, and again), I worked my ass off (and got it in the neck) for trying to improve the relationship between club employees and the fans. Do I have to start producing emails now?
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 11:08:27 (PST)
Stu - of course one or two people think length of service do count - but this has been discussed time and time again on this guestbook, and the majority don't think it does. Regarding effort, money etc. I have spent a year fighting this battle, spent over £30k on it - (and losing potential revenue of £2k a week - to use BRG's phrase) - so I feel very insulted when people try to slag me off over it. Hey - you gave up a job because of all the grief - so you know how it feels.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 11:06:38 (PST)
Stuart D, apologies accepted, poor Jamie 2 titles in 11 could do better
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 09:57:46 (PST)
Wibby Don, sorry if I offended you but it was meant as a personal wind up for Jamie as he is a Big Celtic Fan. Ralph, you just made a SCHOOLBOY ERROR!!!!!!! I think should go and retire from this guestbook!!!!!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 09:10:07 (PST)
Stuart D, whats wrong with Glasgow, if it wasn't for my crusade to educate the English I would still be in Glasgow now, but as you can tell by the postings of Ralphy, so much work to do so litle time :)
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 09:01:28 (PST)
James Davies - you are right, I can't beleive it has taken you this long to blow my cover. Infact I'm a work experience kid with Brunswick whose sole job is to wind you all up and monitor the sites and report back to Mr Koppel. My name is Ralph Hatton - I add the Malph bit because of the chracter in Happy Days.
Ralph Malph
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 06:57:57 (PST)
Jamie, your too gulable mate!!!!! Have you been to Sheffield??? If you have you would know that it is worst than living in Glasgow!!!!! Just a quick point to Ronan. I think that the length of service or matches gone to does mean something. As in Pauls case, I respect him more than most people due to the pain he must of gone through watching all those bloody games. He like other people have spent alot of money and sacrifised time to support the club and deserves respect not abuse.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 06:02:48 (PST)
Ralph you are talking bollocks - looking at what you posted over the last few weeks it is obvious that you are just some kid (who can't type properly) who likes to wind people up, you know very little about football, even less about WFC and your pledge not to help because of a few written words (which IMO were what your posts deserved at the time) is testemant to the fact that you are concealing your identity
James Davies
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 06:01:14 (PST)
Apologies everyone that last post I sent was bullsh*t! Someone who I used to consider a friend was winding me up!
Jamie
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 05:46:23 (PST)
Bad news folks and this is 99.9% certain (as it is a very good source!)...Kelvin Davis and Kenny Cunningham will be going to Sheffield Utd for £2 million! But don't worry we r getting the brilliant Paul Devlin in return!! GREAT! U heard it here first!
Jamie
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 05:40:53 (PST)
I'd like to echo Ronan's very sensible remarks. It is incredibly sad that such potentially very useful people like Ralph and Stuart feel they cannot get involved in either WISA or the Dons Trust because of personal issues with those involved in them. No-one ever gets on with everyone and an Internet guestbook is not the best place to have this kind of discussion. PLEASE come to the Thomas Farley some time and I will buy you a drink. You need never meet BW or anyone you don't like. And without wanting to re-open a rather pointless argument, Ralph, your original post was insulting. You are accusing people who are working their guts out to help save the club they love. Posting that OWFF/WISA/Trust people are "fit to run this club is a joke. "One dimensional views", "how can they be trusted anymore than CK", "Would you seriously let that lot loose with the finances", "Take a look at some of the posts on w&ww they really are becoming cringingly embarassing" are all insulting statements. If you don't recognise this then I doubt you understand what insulting means.
Martin Drake (martin_drake@hotmail.com)
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 04:18:05 (PST)
That should be Plough lane - oops ;-)
WTID
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 03:40:16 (PST)
paul - i am no spokesman for WISA, but the issue i was talking about was season tickets next year, of which im sure ralph has a valid opinion about. and if ur worried about the capacity, get there earlier ;-) Ralph all we are saying is that a united front is the best way to get back to plugh lane. that does not mean there is only one way of doing it. if you come along with a good suggestion see what happens. people have open minds, have one as well
WTID
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 03:39:09 (PST)
Ralphy Boy, what about the Dons Trust, as my earlier posting we are always looking for people to come along and give THEIR views I am looking after the Fundraising group at the moment and within the group we have Terry Eames ex player and the ex Mrs Cork, Alans ex wife, and by all accounts not a thug amongst us
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 02:30:37 (PST)
Ralph - correct me if I'm wrong - am I right in saying that you say you have experience which would be invaluable to saving our club, yet you are not interested in helping because you don't like some of us? Sorry mate - but that is not the way to go IMO. We all have our own opinions (BW and myself disagree on a regular basis) - but we get on with the job - and do the best we can. If you think you can do better, PLEASE, PLEASE get involved. However, saddened again to see someone raise the issue of length of service/number of games etc. I may support the team a meagre four years, but nobody can question my committment - and until somebody better than me comes along, I'll continue doing the job I do. If you don't like it - you know what you can do - get involved.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 02:27:44 (PST)
BW, you are a star. Finally people have reallised that you insult others and just cant take it back. I agree with Jamie and Ralph, I have tried before to have my say at WISA meetings years and years ago and came to the same conclusion of other here as I did then. No-one listens and have thier own agenda. The same people who chaired the original WISA meetings are still there now a that is what puts me off. Ralph, I to have managed a team and their finances and even at Sunday football level it is a bloody hard job. I too won a league and cup with my team but 2 and a half years was enough for me.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 02:00:06 (PST)
Hate to say it but I have to agree with Ralph there! BW - U (and others) are the reason why people won't join WISA, u have shown exactly the kind of response WISA give to anyone that isn't a "face". All Ralph has done is given opinions and u don't like them, so u have resorted to childish behaviour. Although I really don't want CK there or MK to happen, I think it woudl be a disaster to have people like u running our club!
Jamie (readyformoreinsultsfromBW@hotmail.com)
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 01:27:03 (PST)
PB - as you will read in a post to BW, it is because of people like him and the general WISA is right and no else can be philosophy that I don't come along. I'm not prepared to waste my breath talking to people like BW or Ronan or anyone else involved as they have clearly illustarted on this board they are unwilling to listen to anyone elses opinions. You can read the responses I get on here. I would have liked to assist more but BW and the like have killed all my enthusiasm, so I won't. I will still give my support to the manager and his players for as long as there is a Dons team to watch and that will now be my lot. I know I'm not a real supporter in the eyes of some but frankly I couldn't give a damn about what they think. I would like to wish everyone all the best in their efforts. Paul top site and board - but I can't be bothered with the futile and childish banter and antics of some of your guests anymore. You Paul, are what I call a true supporter, next time BW, Ronan or anyone else has a go at you just console yourself with the fact that between them they probably haven't seen 500+ Dons games, let alone in succession.
Ralph Malph
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 01:22:56 (PST)
Ralphy, who are you if you were a chairman, of what club? as Peter Bowles was saying IF you have this knowledge put it to good use and join the Trust or just come along and give us some guidance, Brian Lomax and Dave Boyle are not memebers of either WISA or the dons Trust but their help, guidance and experiance has been invaluable, so please come out of your negativity, stop telling us that we are always wrong and help us, as I have said to you before I belong to both WISA and the Dons Trust, I have my opinions which may differ from the (party line) as you put it, but we must be focussed and generate our strengths in the right direction we have many people with different skills who are trying to take Wimbledon FC back to Plough Lane and you being an ex chairman could benefit everyone, so get of your soap box and come along to a meeting
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 01:13:22 (PST)
BW - good morning to you Sir. I don't recall insulting anyone, but if I did I'm sorry. I was a Chairman for 2 years but sadly I had to stand down, but in that time we reached one national final and operated at a manageable loss (unless your the mancs you don't make money). All I'm trying to do is get people to see the wider picture and remove the rose tinted specs. It pains me though that once again you have had to descend into insults. It is because of people like yourself that I have no inclination of joining WISA. The last thing I want is MK or CK in charge, but I have more important thing in my life. BW - it saddens me that WFC supporters will sadly be tarnished by people such as you. I suggest when you have matured and developed an understanding of the game of football and all it encompasses then we can have a propoer discussion.
Ralph Malph
- Wednesday, March 13, 2002 at 01:09:40 (PST)
Ralf...."PB - what you are essentialy saying is to have a voice you need to be a member of WISA?". I'm not saying this. What I am saying is that Wimbledon fans need to do several things, and two of the most important are that we present a united front against Milton Keynes, and that we pool our resources in order to take WFC to where we want it to be. If you have experience in being a chairman of a football club then get involved in either the Trust or WISA or both. If you don't do this then you are starving other Wimbledon fans of much needed resources. I don't think there is any excuse for anyone to be just sitting on the side-lines offering the occasional bit of criticism. There is work to be done. This is not a game of football, we have no room for substitutes or spectators, we want everyone on the pitch (figuratively speaking, not suggesting or condoning a pitch invasion).
Peter Bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
Wimbledon, Wimbledon Wimbledon - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 23:56:18 (PST)
Ralph simply sits there insulting people, mocking all the work done and generally acting like a know it all. I don't act like a know it all. I'm a small cog in a big wheel. Ralph is just a ranter.
Brighton Womble
- Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 14:39:55 (PST)
BW - Just thought that in the past you had critised people for resorting to insults is it just a one way thing?
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 14:28:36 (PST)
Paul, it's so easy when they sit there asking to BE insulted like our Mr Ralph :)
Brighton Womble
- Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 14:13:49 (PST)
BW - Nice to see you just insulting people :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 14:07:46 (PST)
WTID - Dont want to be accused of throwing a spanner in the works or anything but two things 1) At an EGM you can only discuss the motion that has been made 2) whats the capacity of upstairs at the Farley are we talking about a couple of hundred if so what happens if more turn up?
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 14:05:22 (PST)
Ralph, stop talking such crap. If you have been chairman of a club for 2 years, were you as bad at it as you are making a constructive comment? Mind you, it explains your total arrogance and lack of respect for most supporters.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 13:24:18 (PST)
Ralph - im not suggesting that you are stupid. nor did i say that protesting was what has stopped Milton Keynes. A lot of work has been done behind the scenes, and in 6 months WISA have done what no owner has done for a long time. They have created good relations with the council and managed to prove that plough lane is feasible. No one is saying if you dont agree with WISA your wrong...but we do need to be united and WISA is a good way of doing this. sign up come to the EGM and tell us what u think can be done to help. if you have good ideas (and im not suggesting you dont) tell them. They could help
WTID (WTID)
- Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 13:20:40 (PST)
Ralph, am I alone in believing that you are a total idiot who should shut up? You really are nothing other than a sniper who sits on the sidelines barking orders. No one listens to people who can only tell others what to do so kindly shut up.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 13:16:20 (PST)
Hello to our Baggies reader Kevin Cooper was linked with West Ham at the weekend but it now looks he could move to West Brom.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 10:49:12 (PST)
i am an albion fan ,and heard today that kevin cooper is coming for £1 000 000.but i notice on your news page that it said west ham.is this a typo or have west ham nipped in front of us.pipped at the post again!!!
n.pinches (pinches@birth01.fsnet.co.uk)
birmingham, west midlands england - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 10:01:45 (PST)
PB, Ronan & WTID - yes I'm indeed clever, a degree to say so, and a damn site more so than some. (in no way is that a dig at you 3) but please this has been obvious for months, and you know it. Look at how all the threads of emails have slowly changed in that time. PB - what you are essentialy saying is to have a voice you need to be a member of WISA? Because WISA members on hear continually blast people like StuartD or myself because we question a few points or are in their eyes perceived to be negative. Lads I do not care what you think of me or my views, I have been around football at all levels for many years and indeed have been Chairman of a Club for 2 years - so I know how it operates, something which far too many others who bang on and on have no idea about. Do we know Mr Thomson's (WBA) views on MK? Is he for or against, does he get on with CK? WTID - I'm against MK - and I don't think it'll be allowed to happen, never did. The FL would never allow it in a million years. Doesn't matter how much protesting was done or not. It's in the rules, they can't change it for this 'unique' situation.
Ralph Malph
- Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 08:18:11 (PST)
Ralph, you've been saying CK will fold the club for months... well aren't you clever. As it happens, I'm one of those WISA people who'se got a one dimentional view of everything etc, etc. But I have to point out that WISA is, and can only ever be, the sum of it's members. If people aren't prepared to add their knowledge, and assistance. If you don't like what WISA are doing, then join (if you haven't already), get involved and people WILL listen to your point of view. Otherwise, don't criticise people for doing what they can for the good of Wimbledon FC. If you've got wonderful ideas (you may, I don't mean this as a bitchy comment) then don't keep them to yourself. Join WISA, get active and we can stand as a united front against the murder of our football club. And, FWIW I think you're comments suggesting that we'd have HB in charge and DG in goal are absolutely pathetic. We are serious about saving Wimbledon FC. We're not just a bunch of over-sentimental backwards looking morons.
Peter Bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
Wimbledon, Wimbledon Wimbledon - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 06:55:43 (PST)
Yes Ralph - more of your amazing fortune telling - sub-1000 ST comment weeks after we start discussing whether to buy them next year or not.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 06:44:43 (PST)
Ralph - are u against MK or not? If it wasnt 'for those people'the club would be playing there, we would not have a trust and we would be f#####d. if you read the posts on WISA chat properly you will see that an idea would be to put the ST money into an account that would help support the team but not give koppel any money or any ammunition. instead we would say you are losing x amount of money because of your wishes. speak to some people on W&WW, or find them on a matchday - if ur a fan that is
WTID (WTID)
WTID, - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 06:16:12 (PST)
PB - I have been saying that CK will fold the Club for months but no-one would listen, I was talking rubbish. I really think we will have the first sub-1000 season ticket holders in the 1st division next season. There will be more fans at away games.
Ralph Malph
- Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 05:15:16 (PST)
After reading my Y&B from WBA properly - I'm completely at a loss with some of those people. Saying that people involved with OWFF, WISA and Y&B are fit to run this club is a joke. Judging by the one dimensional views of Y&B, w&ww, wisa chat etc... how can they be trusted anymore than CK. Would you seriously let that lot loose with the finances, we be sunk quicker than the Kursk. We'd have 'Arry in charge - Dickie in goal and Kieron Summers upfront. As for people getting upset with Capital Gold why bother? It's just a small provincial local radio station and no-one listens to it, much like Kiss. Stop jumping up and down because again someone else dares not agree with you. Take a look at some of the posts on w&ww they really are becoming cringingly embarassing. Carry on with the persecution complex and people will stop giving a damn.
Ralph Malph
- Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 05:12:13 (PST)
Re buying season tickets for next season... Charles Koppel is now saying that if they can't go to Milton Keynes, rather than bother with administration they will just fold. The list of creditors will probably be somthing like this: Nogs, Players/Other clubs, Brunswick, Lawyers, and then finally anyone who'se bought a season ticket. There is a distinct possibility that you will end up just throwing £250 away.
WISA are holding an EGM on Saturday, April 6th at 1pm upstairs at the Thomas Farley pub, Thorton Heath.
OWFF are also going to be looking at optinos on Saturday.
Buying a season ticket for next year guarantees only one thing, that Charles Koppel has your money.
Peter Bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
Wimbledon, Wimbledon Wimbledon - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 04:48:40 (PST)
Soon as that monkey Koppel goes, I'll buy my season ticket, but NEVER when he is in charge and trying to kill our club.
Red Jacket Man
Lewisham A&E, - Monday, March 11, 2002 at 15:10:27 (PST)
Am I the only one who realises that by not buying ST's means that the club could be fcuk'd up quicker after CK's alleged departure? Right: No one in WISA buys a ST, no money to WFC. CK leaves. No money to WFC. Nogs pull out. DT tries to help with cash. Realises that, realistically, there is no hope of continued funds. SO, Club folds eventually. Or am I hopelessly ill-informed?
Share with FFC is only short-term way out!!
- Monday, March 11, 2002 at 13:11:54 (PST)
Has anyone read the letters page in Wimbledon News (8/3/02) someone else is questioning MC, MP Dandruff Casalle and the proposed funding for PL. So it's not just me then. CK was 2nd in the Chairmans poll - better hope that WBA don't go up or he'll have a fair chance next season.
Ralph Malph
- Monday, March 11, 2002 at 05:56:45 (PST)
Thanks Martin D
Jools
- Monday, March 11, 2002 at 03:17:55 (PST)
Nicked from WISA Chat
http://www.wisa.org.uk/chat/members/index.cgi/oneof.jpg?do=showatt&conf=Gener.Pictu&show=unread&depth=all&frames=1&msg=3185&att=1
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Sunday, March 10, 2002 at 15:47:42 (PST)
Just an update on the bury situation they now have ONE WEEK left if you havent bought a seat yet pop over to their site as you can now buy the seats online BUY HERE
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, March 10, 2002 at 06:38:34 (PST)
I have been asked to post the following on the site, but as it's ages since we have played Blackpool I dont know if anyone can help. - I would be very grateful if you would post this message on your website or message board. good luck for the season......
Memories of Bloomfield Road - Blackpool
Dear Supporter
Following the opening of the new stands at Bloomfield Road, Blackpool Football Club has entered a new era in its long and illustrious history. In order to capture the history of the club, I have decided to write a book and ask football supporters to share their memories of this famous club and ground.
Have you ever been to Bloomfield Road, Blackpool for an away match, did you spend the weekend in Blackpool. If so have you any memories or funny stories of the match or your time in Blackpool. If so please e-mail them to me.
To ensure you receive a credit should your story be published, please include your name, who you support and which match you came to see. Please note that the book will have a humorous slant in it, but please no offensive comments. The editor has the right to edit at his discretion.
Please reply by e-mail to bloomfieldroad@talk21.com
Many thanks for your co-operation, and I will keep you informed of developments.
Peter Duerden & Rick Duerden,Author & Co-Author
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, March 10, 2002 at 04:29:28 (PST)
You are my wild thing, my only wild thing, you make me happy when the wombles play, youll never notice how much we love you, until kopell has sent you away la la la la la OOOH etc. What do you think?
Joe P
- Saturday, March 09, 2002 at 03:21:54 (PST)
Jools, watch this space and please be patient. We had a bit of a break after organising that amazing launch but things are now in process as I post. Bear in mind that we are all volunteers and we aren't as organised as a private profit-making company - yet.
Martin D
- Friday, March 08, 2002 at 08:37:25 (PST)
When will my Dons' Trust stuff arrive? - I joined at Wimbledon Theatre....
Jools
- Friday, March 08, 2002 at 06:17:20 (PST)
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