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Brighton and I agreeing - whatever next? ;-) Agree with TW, Hughes CAN play, but I've seen him hide in so many games when he's got a slap early on or when we've been 'up against it'.
Edinburgh Don
- Thursday, March 07, 2002 at 07:08:45 (PST)
I agrree with BW, Ardley has been agreat servent to the club and on his day is our best dead ball specialist. I have spoke to him on a number of occasions after games this and last year and it really means something to him to pull on a Wimbledon Shirt. You only have to speak to him about the team to get that impression. Top guy who I will seriously be sad to see go. I think he will be another Chris Perry though and always come back to see us when we are playing and his team are not
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Thursday, March 07, 2002 at 04:45:37 (PST)
Why did we buy Mild? Well, Koppel is using our finances to prove that we need to go to Milton Keynes. Therefore he NEEDS to get the club into financial trouble. He's doing this a number of ways: hiring Brunswick, practically giving players away , paying himself, and his mates (The German) a huge salary, and signing players that we don't need or can't afford. Even if we can afford to pay Mild at the moment, Koppel's aim is to put us in a situation where we can't. He is not running the club as someone would if they were interested in the long term.
Peter Bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
Wimbledon, Wimbledon Wimbledon - Thursday, March 07, 2002 at 04:18:24 (PST)
ooops. here should be hear
Ronan
- Thursday, March 07, 2002 at 03:58:03 (PST)
Congrats paul on the job. If you here of any more - give me a shout!!!
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Thursday, March 07, 2002 at 03:57:41 (PST)
Ed Don, I agree re: Ards getting all the stick. Don't agree on Hughes - he's played superbly since Stewart Robson left and Ainsworth has had the worst luck, clearly. People should lay-off Ardley. How can people be ripping into him so much? Short memories, that's why. He's even being ripped into for one comment he made saying we need some kind of ground, wherever it is. Absolutely, I just happen to think that has to be in SW19, like everyone else.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Thursday, March 07, 2002 at 02:06:27 (PST)
Hughes is not the player he appears to be, in fact he only plays when things are going well. When it's tough he hides. And he's lost us possesion many times through his "showboating." I know many will disagree with me but then the game is all about opinions. I wish him well at Birmingham and maybe we'll see the real Hughes.
TW
- Thursday, March 07, 2002 at 02:03:09 (PST)
Edinburgh Don - So Hughes didn't have a good season this season then mate???? Ardley has always been the same though, a good trier, some decent games, but overall not good enough for the Dons but has had a lot of managers that will always play him for some reason! As for Ainsworth pretty bored of that argument!
Jamie
- Thursday, March 07, 2002 at 01:13:33 (PST)
A winner from the one and only Neal Ardley - can he have a break now? A player who is a Don through and through, not the fastest but never gives up trying, gets stick. Michael 'good first season, f**k-all since' Hughes and 'Sicknote' Ainsworth are idolised. Is there any justice in football?
Edinburgh Don
- Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 13:45:27 (PST)
At this rate maybe I should pack my boots next time I come down to London, I might get a game!
Edinburgh Don
- Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 11:40:21 (PST)
Jamie, your wrong mate. We brought Mild because he is Swedish and we wanted to attract all those blonde haired swedish birds!!!!!!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 05:28:14 (PST)
I know the answer Hutch!!! We r not in financial trouble, Koppell is only saying we r so we can go to Milton Keynes, simple, but true! We bought Mild cos we can afford to, why else would we do it???
Jamie
- Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 05:09:51 (PST)
Stu - I am not arguing, and I am not (and if you read my posts again you will see) complaining about selling/loaning/losing our best players, what I am saying is simple how can we be in such trouble financially and still go and sign a player (Mild) when there are numerous alternatives in what is already a massive squad?
Hutch
- Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 04:36:19 (PST)
Hutch, Im not being funny mate but I dont think we are ever going to agree on this issue. We both have pre concieved ideas on this nad we are not going to budge. I know what you are saying when you cant believe that we can all of a sudden be in financial shit just like that, but I thought last season when we got relegated that within 2 -3 seasons we would lose our best players and have average 1st division players. If we were Notts Forest and had thier average attendance then I would argue your point, but when we get the attendances we do, I cant really argue that we lose players.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 03:00:16 (PST)
Bit of news as from 12:30 today I will be working for the first time in 5 months at the moment it's only for 3 days but it's a start it also means that the Man Of The Match result wont be put on until late tonight and you might not see me in regular conversations on here but I will respond once I get back in.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 02:35:13 (PST)
By the way take it everyone has heard that someone in Surrey bought a lottery ticket on 27th January and it won £6.4 million and no one has claimed the prize yet!
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 02:24:07 (PST)
Stu - you are missing my original point again, If we are in financial shit (the same financial shit you said we were in last week) you don't go and sign players on £8k a week unless you have NOBODY else who can play there. In the case of Mild we had Trond, Ardley, Roberts, Hughesie and Francis as recognised central midfielders and lets say Holloway, Morgan, Cooper, Thomas and Selley as possible stand ins in an injury/suspension crisis. I totally agree with Not a Muppet.
Hutch
- Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 02:02:23 (PST)
NAM - Railtrack, ENRON? Allied Irish Bank :) - NGKMM it's a bit different getting people to turn up to a meeting than to ask people to part with money not everyone who turned up at the trust meeting has joined the trust.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 01:30:26 (PST)
Hutch, I think your going mad mate. You say I am enhancing your point, well if I am, then maybe Im going mad!!! If you want to Play Thomas and Selly in midfield then good luck to you. I was under the impression that they were out of the door in the Summer along with Ardley and probally Trond. He lets move Kelvin into Midfield, I swear I saw him play there in training once!!!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Wednesday, March 06, 2002 at 00:57:08 (PST)
The club only started being in financial trouble when it suited Koppel's reason for going to MK. He's a liar and even if he is telling the truth about loses he is chairman. Name another company that could go from solvent to skint in such a short space of time and not blame the man in charge.
Not a Muppet (likesome@selhurst.con)
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 18:48:00 (PST)
"No one is interested in the Nationwide League." no - no-one is interested in funding Koppel's war chest (minus a few people too blinkered to get the point). Funny how the Trust get 1300 people to Wimbledon Theatre and Koppel can't even fill a season of match sponsors...
Not Giving Koppel My Money (Sohecangotoplay@milton.keynes)
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 18:45:42 (PST)
I'm confused, In my first post on this discussion about Mild I said I thought it was a strange signing but tried to explain why I think he was signed. Now it seems as if we are going round in circles a bit yes we have got players who can step in to that position but I also think that most of them wouldn't have been right the club took a gamble and it looks like it hasn't worked. Also before today I had never heard the £500k over 18 months in terms of Mild's salary.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 10:31:02 (PST)
Stuart you are enhancing my original point even more! Hughesie was originally not considered a central midfielder, Trond was and look where he plays now, my point was and still is if we are doing so badly financially and need to reduce the wage bill why are we signing players when we have others who can slot in - you say Holloway and Coops probably played centre midfield because of injuries, a club in such a bad way (supposedly) like us would stick someone in there (Selley, Thomas, Morgan, Ardley, Trond - and shuffle at the back) the possibilities with our big squad are almost endless - you do not go and sign new players unless you have absolutely no choice (see above) or you can afford to.
Hutch
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 09:53:19 (PST)
The real hash, they of played in centre midfield for a while at their previous clubs, but I would hazzard a guess that it was when they had injuries... Do you seriously think we would get away with playing them there in that position for the whole year???? If we look at it your way we know Shipperley at centre half, but you wouldnt play him there as his preferred position!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 09:05:13 (PST)
Stu- mate, Cooper played at CM for Stockport and Holloway played at CM for Sunderland, so yes, both of them can actually play there.
The Real Hash
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 08:57:13 (PST)
Hutch, I doubt very much if we are close to financial ruin, I believe that club are getting rid of the high wage earners just like any other business would do if they were paying to much out than they were getting in. It is destressing that we are losing all our big players, but the reason they are big players is because they cost alot to keep. Its like owning a Rolls Royce and stuggling to pay the petrol, you would have no choice but to down grade to a Astra so it would be chealer to run. I know it is a bad example, but I bet you know what I mean
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 08:56:06 (PST)
Paul - you have enhanced my point even more if what you say was the case, one possible candidate was not playing well (Holloway), one was preferrred in a different position (Trond) and 2 were considered not the right kind of central midfielder' (Cooper and Morgan) as you also say he must have needed a rest after playing lots of football and he will be playing in the World Cup so when will he get a break? that still leaves Hughes, Roberts, Ardley, Thomas, Selley. I actually think Mild could prove to be a good signing but I come back to my point with all the other central midfielders available and the club apparently on the brink of financial ruin how could we of afforded him and justify his signing?
Hutch
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 08:29:46 (PST)
I think I've already made my feelings, about Mild, very clear. He watches the ball all the time, only problem with that is that we do expect him to play at the same time. He's behind the game all the time. Give him a seat in the stand and he can watch until his heart's content. Many of the foriegn players are signed on the strentgh of a video, and we all know a tape can be edited. I think agents see TB coming. There used to be a saying about the men's shop, "Burton's the thirty bob tailors." Perhaps it should be "Burton's all for one pound fifty players." Not the same ring but perhaps apt?
TW
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 08:17:50 (PST)
Hutch, sorry mate but Cooper is not a central midfielder. Granted he does cut inside, but thats because the full backs have overlapped and taken their full backs out of the game. I dont know why we brought Mild anyway, I agree we have cover but I expect to see Mild and Damo as our Central midfielders anyway next season. Wouldnt be suprised to see Kelvin go either, he is rated as one of the best goalkeepers in Div 1, thats when I will start to worry. Concerning Holloway, would you play him centre midfield??? I know I wouldnt!!!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 07:17:57 (PST)
Hutch - At the time we signed Mild I think it would be fair to say Holloway was going through a bad patch and most people at Selhurst didn't want him on the same planet as them let alone playing for WFC. I think Trond was being considered as playing at Center Back rather than midfield and I dont think you could class Cooper, Morgan as being ball winners. I can only think that was the reason they got Mild in, and as we know it hasn't worked, but to be honest he would have been involved in playing continious football for over a year as he played in scandanavia first. When Trond first came over he suffered as well due to playing back to back seasons.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 07:16:43 (PST)
Stuart - when Mild signed it was £500k over 18 months, Cooper played centre midfield on occasions (how often does he cut inside!) at Stockport, Holloway the same when at Sunderland, my point is simple a club with no money cannot afford to sign someone when they have so much cover already simple as that
Hutch
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 07:04:10 (PST)
How do we know that Mild is on 8k per week???? And Ardley is already being sacrifised, Holloway can play anywhere but is probally at his best a right back... Cooper I dont believe could play centre midlfield. Thomas and Selley we both know were a waste of money and the quicker we see the back of them the better.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 06:38:11 (PST)
that is my point though Paul we have so many players who can play central midfield why sign another? it just contradicts the arguement that we have no money. other clubs in our position would had to of used a youngster (Morgan?) a stop gap (Cooops, Holloway?) or basically anyone they could get their hands on for as little as possible (Selley?)
Hutch
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 06:19:41 (PST)
Yes Mild was a strange signing the only think I can think of was that Trond and Damien had been out injured and they weren't sure how well Damien would come back, From your list Selley and Thomas were not going to get first team games perhaps it was a case of having a non flair player in the middle of the park. The wage of £8k per week sound a hell of a lot but if thats what been said, no wonder he said it's his highest ever deal.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 06:13:11 (PST)
Jamie whereas I don't doubt we are not doing well financially a club who already has Ardley, Damo, Hughes, Trond, Morgan, Roberts, Cooper, Holloway, Selley and Thomas does not go out and sign an international on £8k a week - something is wrong
Hutch
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 05:46:24 (PST)
I agree with Hutch! We can't just all of a sudden be in financial sh*t! I am surprised that Forest would get any money for David Johnson, it was a stupid buy for £3million not like Hughesie who is a class player who I cannot believe we r letting go on a free! And don't tell me we have to get rid of Hughes to save us money because I aint buying it anymore. Koppell is trying to get rid of our best players, for cheap prices, to certain clubs, so he can get onside with "important" people. Problem is for Koppell is that u can't please everyone and even though he probably has a few "friends" now, most chairman couldn't give him the time of day. I predict the next club to get loans and free players off us is West Brom!
Jamie
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 05:35:31 (PST)
Stu - apparently Mild is on £500k over 18 months (8k a week app) with no real chance of selling him on for major profit does signing him sound like the actions of a club with no money? granted that he probably earns less than the 3 you mentioned but we seemed to sign him very shortly after Roberts was bombed and playing in the reserves (luxury signing?)- at that time we had Ardley, Damo, Hughes, Trond, Roberts,Morgan, Selley, Thomas, (Holloway and Coops both have played there before) all available but no we signed off another £8k a week - this is what I don't understand
Hutch
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 05:11:10 (PST)
Hutch, I would of thought that Mild is not on as higher wage as Roberts/Trond/Hughsie. Remember when we signed these players we were in the premiership and therefore had to pay top wages. So if you look at it, we got a Swedish International and get rid of 2 or 3 midfielders. I have tried to look at it without the sentimental feelings and I have accepted that cutbacks have to be made.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 04:59:29 (PST)
RBQC - only a club run as poorly as ours would sign someone for £3m on a contract running 1 and a half seasons. As I posted yesterday a club is not doing OK financially and then suddenly in the shit (like Koppell claims we are) it must be a longer process that should be sorted out as quickly as possible. if we are in such a bad way now why was TB allowed to sign Mild on £500k over 18 months in November and then try to get rid of Hughes/Roberts/Trond a very short time later?
Hutch
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 04:38:28 (PST)
Ralph - may be wrong, but is Johnson coming to end of contract? Heard quite a few are on Bosman's with now hope of contract renewal at EOS
RBQC
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 04:31:18 (PST)
Talking of giving players away anyone see that Nottingham Forest are about to offload David Johnson who they paid £3 million to Ipswich last season. He has gone on loan to Sheffield Wednesday (may play wednesday) with a view to a permanant move, he was forest biggest wage earner.
Ralph Malph
- Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 03:49:39 (PST)
Stuart
Small correction. Catering and bars at Selhurst Park are operated by Crystal Palace Catering (19xx) Limited owned by Mr. Simon Jordan and his friends or by Sevan Catering, which used to be (and may still be) run by a certain Mr. Ron Noades. Proprietorship of licensed premises must be displayed prominently by law. Your choice.
See you on/at Wednesday.
Tim Hillyer (tim@carorg.co.uk)
Wimbledon, - Monday, March 04, 2002 at 12:45:38 (PST)
Koppell has LOST AGAIN!!!! he has failed in his bid to become the Football League representative, when will he ever learn
Wibbly Don
- Monday, March 04, 2002 at 07:53:01 (PST)
Hutch, dont get to excited, I dont like agreeing with you otherwise that would be boring :-) I dont think that the reserves are going to matter to much next year anyway. I cant see how most of the teams can afford to keep a first 11 and a second string!! I know what you mean about keep selling our best players, but I am just hoping that we get rid of a couple and they may say they dont need to sell anymore as they can afford the wages.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Monday, March 04, 2002 at 06:24:32 (PST)
Michael Hughes off to Birmingahm City on LOAN until the end of the season with a permanent move in the summer, due to his injury Birmingham have not rushed through the signing but the deal should be complete by the end of the week
Wibbly Don
- Monday, March 04, 2002 at 06:18:09 (PST)
Thanks for the help you gave to Bury, we need all the help we can get.
Good luck with getting your own ground, it must be very frustrating.
Keith Halsall (lhal@btinternet.com)
Merriott, Somerset England - Monday, March 04, 2002 at 06:02:00 (PST)
Stu - amazing! we are very close to sgreeing on this!!! it does seem strange to me that TB has been allowed to sign so many players recently - and then he and Koppel are going on about reducing wage bill etc. I agree we could make a big profit from Connolly but surely we could make that twice over by keeping Lionel (and even Jobi, Agy, Gray, Damo) until they show what they can do, and then sell them. This is what I don't get, they are prepared to sell ANYONE. If they sell players before we have the mass exodous at the end of the season we will have a squad not big enough to field a reserve side let alone accomodate injuries, they will even consider offers for our youngsters who will probably be earning less than any replacements that are bought in
Hutch
- Monday, March 04, 2002 at 05:40:01 (PST)
Hutch, I know what you are saying, but it is quite obvious that the norweigians are not going to put any of thier own money in to it.. Regarding the transfers, they were all brought for minimal fees, and if we sell Connolly and Darlington, we would make alot of profit on their transfers fees...
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Monday, March 04, 2002 at 05:26:32 (PST)
Stu - what I mean is we had the money from Sky for 3 years under the current owners where is it? Rokke owns numerous companies I would bet that any money we are waiting for from transfers has been borrowed from one of his other companies if needed (a common business practice). why will nobody buy merchandise? you know why, why has TB been allowed to bring so many players in the squad. Do you not find it strange that all this we have no money, losing £x a day etc has all come on very suddenly? quite soon after bringing in Shipps, Conno, Nowland, Darlo and Mild and just before 20 players will be off the wage bill - something is wrong there
Hutch
- Monday, March 04, 2002 at 05:07:17 (PST)
Hutch, I believe that the parachuet payments from SKy have finished. You say Sponsors provide money, We only have the Maximucle deal and they matchday sponsors. Have you seen how empty the Executive boxes are this season. No one is interested in the Nationwide League. They will go to Fulham, Chelsea etc, they dont want to come to us. And You say lets get credit. Well how much do you want??? That will put us in a even shitter position than we already are. You say its not as simple as adding the gates together. Well I have to disagree, It is as simple as that, Where else do we get income from. Merchandise - Mechandise Ban, Commercial, No one wants to tuch us, Catering - all money goes to Noades
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Monday, March 04, 2002 at 04:50:07 (PST)
Stuart - what right do you have to say that I am living in cloud cuckoo land? what about our income from the TV money (when do we stop getting money from Sky?) what about our income from sponsors?, matchday sponsors etc etc what about the fact that we were making a profit only a short while ago it is not just a matter of adding up the gates and working out how much we make from them. What does it matter that you don't get paid the transfer fees in full - ever heard of credit?. I totally agree that we are not making money as a club at the moment, what I am pissed off with is the guys who own and run our club IMO have allowed the situation to get where it is today, what I mean is 20 players outof contract will give the club an extra £100k a week app. what will be acheived of getting rid of Lionel. Gray, Trond, Hughes etc on top of that?
Hutch
- Monday, March 04, 2002 at 04:43:37 (PST)
Stuart Deacons - HA HA HA HA!!! U wont be saying that when they sign Trezeguet next week! U heard it here first!! U wont be taking the mickey when we win the Champions League next season!! Anyway, back to WImbledon, I think Burton is a worse manager than Peter Withe! And I mean that as well!
Jamie
- Monday, March 04, 2002 at 04:07:21 (PST)
Jamie - wasn't agreeing with TB's comments but just trying to work out who the 6 are.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, March 04, 2002 at 03:58:40 (PST)
Jamie, there is always bigger idiots who will take a manager job. I reckon we should go for Martin O'neill and give the bloke a real challenge. I heard he asked to go part time at Celtic, as he though it was unfair that he was full time when all his opponents are semi-proffesional!!!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Monday, March 04, 2002 at 03:58:36 (PST)
Paul - There is no way he can regard Ardley and Francis as "youth players" and also u can't include Morgan in that argument cos Burton said he didn't bring him on earlier cos we already had "6 youth players on the pitch". The guy is really getting to me now, but what can u do? No point sacking him cos Koppell will just get an even bigger idiot than we've already got!
Jamie
- Monday, March 04, 2002 at 03:37:41 (PST)
REALLY!!!!! Thats bad really but not suprising. I hope that they do get relegated before we play them, as it would be a horrible situation for us to do that to them with all our internal problems. But then again it would be good to give abuse to Carlton Palmer after all the hassle he gave our players up at Edgley Park....
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Monday, March 04, 2002 at 03:32:20 (PST)
Stu not quite a pointless season otherwise we would be below stockport :) by the way Stockport could be relegated by next weekend!!
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, March 04, 2002 at 03:19:56 (PST)
Paul, yeah you are spot on again Statto!!!! TB comment was stupid really. LM and JM started on the bench and you can hardly say that NA is inexperienced!!!! I personally cant wait for the season to finish now, it is just pointless!!!!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Monday, March 04, 2002 at 03:11:40 (PST)
In the Mail today: Wimbledon Chairman Charles Koppell is expected to pip West Broms Paul Thompson for the vacant First Division representative place on the Football league management board when the ballot result is announced today, if Koppell is his chairmens choice it will cause some consternation for the leagues executive. Wimbledon and the league are at battle over the proposed move to MK and the size of the Dons legal bill from the resulting independant tribunal. Koppell was also one of the instigators of the eight club meeting at a chinese restaurant last week at which dissatisfaction was voiced over the lack of progress the league has made in the promised re-structuring of the First division ( any comments guys, I feel sick)
Wibbly Don
- Monday, March 04, 2002 at 03:04:17 (PST)
Jamie - 3 in a row was shortly after "seven". Unless Burton meant about players that had come through the youth team i.e. PA, LM, JM, PH, DF NA
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, March 04, 2002 at 02:33:07 (PST)
As you may know Bury FC are in big problems in 2 weeks time they could be finished they need to raise £400,000 to stay alive a hell of a lot of money for anyclub. They have come up with an idea of people donating £10 to be associated with a seat in the ground, you can donate more if you wish if every seat in the ground is sponsored they will raise a minimum of £120,000 and will be a major start towards the target for more information go to the Bury FC site by clicking here lets try and help another club after all the support we have had this year.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, March 04, 2002 at 02:19:51 (PST)
After the recent revelations that Koppell is one of the biggest liers in football, it now seems that Burton is following his lead! At least Koppell tries to cover up his constant bullsh*t but Burtons latest "we had 6 youth players playing on Saturday" comment has to be one of the most stupid I have ever seen! Where has he got this figure from??? Can someone enlighten me? Am I missing something? Then he said that the loss has "dented our play-off hopes" WTF is he on about? I think he must be the only guy kidding himself that we r ever gonna make it? To get into the play-offs u need about a run of 5 or 6 wins, we haven't had 3 in a row since "seven"!!
Jamie (jamieweir@fcuk-me.co.uk)
- Monday, March 04, 2002 at 02:16:05 (PST)
Paul, go to the top of the class! You see WHY we're in trouble now guys? We make SUCH a loss EVERY WEEK - We are in the SHIT! Now all we need to do is encourage the Nogs to spend some of that fortune they supposedly had and we'll be okay. What? They won't spend unless we go to MK? A*****les!
Maths Tutor
- Sunday, March 03, 2002 at 14:57:21 (PST)
Apologies to all - sounds like my guests last night had a play with my machine.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Sunday, March 03, 2002 at 05:20:21 (PST)
Just looking at them maths figures and I have just put something together based on yesterdays attendance. I might be miles out but working on the basis that Portsmouth's wage bill is £700,000 a month I would imagine that ours would be in that region.
Stand................................................Crowd....Price...Money.......Noades......Net
Homesdale (Non Season Tickets)..1000.......£15.....£15,000......£1,100........£13,900
Homesdale (Season Tickets)..........3000.....................................£3,300.......-£3,300
Main Stand (Non Season Tickets)..500.........£25.....£12,500......£550..........£11,950
Main Stand (Season Tickets).........500........................................£550..........-£550
Whitehorse.....................................1000.......................................£1,100......-£1,100
Away................................................2500........£18.....£45,000......£2,750......£42,250
Total................................................8500....................£72,500......£9,350......£63,150
These figures are based on everyone paying adult prices and the fact that the whitehorse lane was free tickets yesterday. The noades column is based on the believed figure that we pay Mr R Noades £1.10 for every person in the ground. This doesn't include the season ticket money but if you base it on 3000 Homesdale road season tickets at £210 each that comes to £630,000.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, March 03, 2002 at 04:30:04 (PST)
Hutch, Have you not understood that transfer fees dont come in on block sum. So yes, the 25 million quid will come in but it will be no good because it will just cover our debts. The facts that the maths tutor has done is one that all of us have done, so stop living in cuckoo land. As for you argument about selling Lional for a million and so, did you not read my previous post about us buying players for £100,000 or so. It will happen and I think the quicker everyone realises the better. I did ages ago as you could see it coming. I havent seen what the gate for yesterday was yet, but you can take away 2,500 tickets already for the away support, who I thought were one of the best away support I have seen this year.
stuart d (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Sunday, March 03, 2002 at 03:14:33 (PST)
Hakan Mild says we haven't seen the best of him. I've seen enough of him! England in the Group of Death! Yea, right! There's a midfielder up at Hearts (Fulton, I think) who against Mild plays like David Beckham. TB's signings, in general, don't add up to much. Surely, now is the time to drop those that are not going to be with us next season and blend those that are seen as the immediate future playing staff? Again, in today's press, Burton is blaming the "atmosphere." Moans about some of the spectatoprs calling for the ball to be played forward. maybe we don't want a return to the "lob it up quick" days but it would be nice to see the ball get into the box, at least now and again. Why do we have to get up to the final third to turn around and come back again? Why do we have to make at least one extra, unrequired pass? We have enough to put up with at the moment without the players shoving their attitudes full bore into our faces. As for our sponsors! Either the players are taking the tablets and the product is showing the world it's worth. Or, it's bloody good stuff and the players are putting it in the dustbin.
TW
- Sunday, March 03, 2002 at 02:12:26 (PST)
Ronan, have you been drinking?
REPD (repd1@juno.com)
Alcohol is bad, - Sunday, March 03, 2002 at 01:01:39 (PST)
maths tutor- where does the money come from? I would think some is covered by the £25 million in player sales during the last 18 months.
The Real Hash
- Saturday, March 02, 2002 at 15:04:49 (PST)
And who pulled out of the meeting he set up?
REPD (repd1@juno.com)
Bloody working., - Saturday, March 02, 2002 at 14:29:09 (PST)
So Kris, who set up the meeting at the theatre?
Shhhhhhh
- Saturday, March 02, 2002 at 13:31:44 (PST)
Whilst idling away watching a shocking defeat at the SElhurst tomb we call "home", I did some calculations. Bear with me, I don't know exact figures. Now, purely on this season - our income has been minimal. Somewhere in the region of 3 and a half thou season ticket holders signed up (roughly - I've heard that figure bounded about before). Now, with our average being 7/8,000, then that is 3/4 and a half thousand paying customers. Now, with top whack being £50 and bottom being (say) a tenner, that puts the average ticket sale at £30 (and, lets face it, that's being ambitious), 3,500 x £30 = £105,000 a game, if it's average. Now at rate of 3 home games a month, we might, if lucky, get £315,000. Now look at the top 40ish players at the club. Not knowing players' saleries, I am going to guess here - maybe £5,000 each a week (ROUGH AVERAGE). So, with 40 players on a rough £200,000 a WEEK, then we don't cover a weeks' wages on a game. So then monies already made by the club pay the extra (i.e Hutch's assertions that "Where has all the money gone?" fall flat). That is just the first team players. The club get NO facilities to provide extra money (halls, venues, clubs, pubs, etc.,), so wher does the rest of the money come from? NOw, I'm as anti-MK as the next man, but I CAN see where CK is coming from re: finances. I've not got a degree in Maths, but if you consider those facts, it doesn't take one, you know what I mean?!
Maths Tutor.
- Saturday, March 02, 2002 at 13:28:05 (PST)
I'm sorry but you are looking at the narrow view. Of course I love my Wimbledon but above all I love football. We're losing the game! People like CK and television companies are taking the game away. Fight against Wimbledon being moved to MK. But above all FIGHT against soccer being taken away from the ordinary man. Stick around and you'll see what I mean.
TW
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 11:54:43 (PST)
Ralph - if anyone imagines that, were the fans running this club, we wouldn't have a lot of very difficult decisions to make, then they are kidding themselves, absolutely. But what I don't accept is that Koppel is interested in the long-term future of this club, or even of WFC Ltd. He is there to make MK happen, and if he succeeds then he will be off. If CK told me he was reading The Times, I'd at least want to see it before I believed him, yes. That's because I have sat in a room with the man and listened to him telling barefaced lies to my face - lies which may well sound plausible to people who only hear what he has to say.
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
London, England - Friday, March 01, 2002 at 10:20:58 (PST)
Paul - nice one, sounds like a right laugh, though you wouldn't get me in there suited & booted.
kris (chair@wisa.org.uk)
London, England - Friday, March 01, 2002 at 10:17:53 (PST)
Just checked the portsmouth official site - they had 3 home games Barnsley (12,756) , Rotherham (13,313) & Coventry (12,336) so a total 38,405 so it would be close if they have got the wages money through the gate I dont know how many season ticket holders they have at fratton park.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, March 01, 2002 at 10:09:50 (PST)
I think the sad thing about English football is that you are going to begin to see only a handfall of players move for money in this division from now on apart from the teams that have the crowds i.e. Man C, Wolves most others will just be players that move on free transfers nominal fee's. I today's Telegraph they have got the list of players that moved in February 2002 only about 7 were for cash others free transfers and loans. The other week Barnsley had a reserve game where they told the media every player that was in the Barnsley side was avaliable for some sort of transfer. I think player's will also have to be prepared for lower salarys than they are on. Anyone see that Portsmouth wage bill is £700,000 a month and thats without any win bonuses!! that means based on £20.00 a ticket they would need 35,000 people through the turnstile each month now ticket prices are less than that and they might have had 2 games during that time.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, March 01, 2002 at 09:54:39 (PST)
Ralph - I will ask you again what you actually do know? I would like to know. CK is the reason why we are in such shit, he has turned the fans against the club they love threatened to take our club from us and now wants to sell our top players for next to nothing - GETTING CK AND THE NOGS OUT OF OUR CLUB IS THE ONLY REAL ISSUE ATM!!! Stuart imagine this Lionel goes for £1m, Trond goes for £1m Hughes goes for nothing then all the deadwood leave at the end of the season - we have a squad of less than 20 where is the money going to come from to buy new players? where are you going to get players of the quality that we are currently trying to sell? If you ask me Koppell and the nogs are getting what they can before they get out
Hutch
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 09:40:18 (PST)
Hutch, dont forget we can buy players once the dead wood players contracts have expired. So we wouldnt be left with 16!! And as for saying Ralph doesnt know how to run a football club, well lets be fair none of us have got much idea have we. I would bet is much more involved than just saying buy him, sell him... We will just have to trust TB that he has the right players at the right price to bring in next year...
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 09:29:15 (PST)
Hutch - obviously a damn site more than most of the people on here, I'm sure you realise it is about more than the 11 players on a Saturday. People should lose the blinkers and about CK and look at the picture about the operations of a football club. By the way can I re-iterate, MK no way.
Ralph Malph
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 09:26:37 (PST)
Stuart - 18 out of contract and those Koppell is willing to let go for ridiculous prices - it is obvious that his motives either have or are changing, is Trond worth £3.5m less than HH or Thatch to WFC? of course he isn't, no chairman who knew anything about football would be willing to do what Koppell is doing - imagine if he managed to sell those he has tried to get rid of - we would have no Hughes, Morgan or Trond now and with loads out of contract we could easily start next season with 16 players (10 too few by the way).One other thing I will not sit back and let Koppell do what he wants with our club, he is trying to ruin it which ever way you look at it. Ralph - what do you know about the runnings of a football club?
Hutch
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 09:16:44 (PST)
Dont know if people saw this on W&WW site but check out the following spoof Millwall Official Site http://www24.brinkster.com/wilksta/millwallfc/hoolie.htm It will make you laugh.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, March 01, 2002 at 09:01:52 (PST)
Stuart, I believe we should have 25 in the squad next season! Get rid of all the sh*t and keep what, couple of good purchases and we will be fine but it aint gonna happen because Koppell seems intent on selling everything we've got at disgraceful prices
Jamie (jamieweir@fcuk-me.co.uk)
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 08:41:59 (PST)
Regarding cutting back squads did anyone see that Clever Trevor Francis has told all but two in his reserve squad that they wont have contracts next season!! How many players I think between 25-30 players. Looking at the programme for the Palace game 24 players have started a league game for us this season.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, March 01, 2002 at 08:40:37 (PST)
Ralph, did you read the story about the Portsmouth Chairman not paying the wages for the players and staff??? You just cant do that, but he is american so he playes on different rules probally. They are probally skint aswell!!! I reckon we might get into the premiership by default. I dont think it will be long before a Premieship club gets in financial problems. If not the premiership, then surely the First Division. Just looking at the team news for tommorow on the Boing, Boing, Baggies, Baggies website and they say that Darren Moore is out, but Dichio is back. Do all the West Brom girl supporters do that baggies dance. I sure hope so!!!!!! They must have a good support :-) the girls I mean!!!!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 08:40:10 (PST)
Hutch, you didnt answer my question about how many you think we should have in a squad for next season. Ralph, Paul anyone, what do you think???
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 08:36:18 (PST)
Apparently Ardley is set to return to the satrting line up tomorrow, why? Surely McAnuff did enough at the den last week to illustrate that Ards is Sh*te. Predictions for tomorrow anyone?
Ralph Malph
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 08:35:09 (PST)
Stuart - of course we are not in a strong financial position how many clubs are. Bury have gone in to administration today. The football gravy train is coming off the rails and the sooner people realise our plight the better.
Ralph Malph
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 08:31:33 (PST)
Hutch, you are right, he may well be saying it to influence the MK issue. But do you really think we are in a strong position finacially?? And I must be thick about the buyers market, please explain
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 08:23:04 (PST)
Why do none of you get it? You had no idea about the workings of a football club do you. Christ the players are earning big bucks then there is all the staff, the rent, the travel, the accomadation, the academy, football in community, surgeons bills, consultants bills, pay offs for old staff members. This all adds up on top of the players money. It simple accounting. Hutch I beleive that you and others would argue that CK was holding a copy of the The Times if he told you he was holding a copy of the Daily Mirror.
Ralph Malph
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 08:22:02 (PST)
Stuart, that's the whole point. Any idiot can see we get small crowds (at Selhurst Park of course) but it hardly helps matters that our chairman has constantly moaned to the press that we are losing heaps of money, especially if he's only doing that to strengthen his idiotic "MK is the only option" bull-shit. Are you familiar with the term "buyer's market"?
Martin D
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 08:16:45 (PST)
Hutch, What I mean by no-one caring about the nationwide is purley the money coming in from sponsors and tv. Sky had it for was it 2 years and then let it go to ITV digital who now would rather they didnt pay for it. What sort of squad size do you think we should have then??? I reckon 28 at the max, maybe even less. CK is obviously going to run the club without putting in no extra money. And thats his choice. So ie: We survive on the money we get from gates, sponsorship etc...
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 08:11:22 (PST)
Stuart - actually I don't believe anything that CK says - just because we drop out of the top league it doesn't spell the end (what do you mean no-one cares about the nationwide league? ask any Palace Millwall WBA Rotherham etc fan they will tell you how much they care for it) - we won't and are not going to make as much money that is obvious, we aren't and will not get as big crowds, that is obvious too, you have to cut your cloth accordingly and come up with a plan for the future - selling top players for peanuts IMO is not in any way planning for the future - Gray, Lionel, Trond and Hughes could all of been gone by now - with many others to follow at the end of the season we could easily start next season with well under 20 players, think about that for a minute and please don't accuse me of being unrealistic and then consider starting next season with 16 players as being good long term planning
Hutch
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 08:01:02 (PST)
Hutch, I never said I believe everything CK says. Im just being a realist which I dont think you are. I think you have to look at it long term aswell here, any sensible business would. When this MK thing is defeated I would want and expect my team to be able to survive for the future. No one cares about the Nationwide league. As the big London clubs get bigger and build bigger grounds with extar space for fans, we are going to struggle even more for money. Lets not get blinkered on this. I know we may not believe everything CK says, but lets use our heads here
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 07:47:28 (PST)
Ralph - the £20k a day is profit not earned (that we would be earning in our own ground) as opposed to money being lost - there is a world of difference anyway Ralph and Stuart why do you believe anything Koppell says? even if it were true £20k a day is app £6m a year - player sales of £27m in 18 months plus parachute money from the Premier League should a club that was making a profit (I know it was in the Prem) 3 years ago be in such a bad way already? average attendances have gone down by 10000 which at £20 a ticket works out at £200k a game - we have more games now so on gate receipts alone you are looking at a few million, this is not my main point though - if CK really has MK ambitions why is he looking to get rid of the players who could make his Premier League/MK ideal happen? 20 players out of contract inc GA £14k Ardley £8k? Blackwell £6k? Roberts 8k? Selley £4k? Thomas £xk? (Brunswick £20k)plus 15 more we could be looking at saving £100k a week and if the club is in such a bad way now less than 2 seasons after relegation the people running the club are not doing there jobs properly simple as that
Hutch
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 07:33:32 (PST)
Hutch - I'm fully aware of Forest's problems - Alan Rogers was more than willing to sign a new contarct. Forest are in the mire so are we. I know no-one beleives the £20k story, but I do. That is a lot of money and football is a bloody expensive business. Look at the amount of money we are spunking on poor quality players wages. Very few of these players will find another club in this or the next division. Yet we are paying thousands a week to have them scratch their arses at K's on a Monday. I agree £1m for Trond is scandalous - but as I said the lower league teams of which we are one are going to struggle to command big transfer fees. It's a case of take or watch them walk a year later. Yhis is where business comes in. The Geordies paid £5m for Jenus - yes he is unproven - but please don't tell me you are questioning Bobby Robson's judgement? If they want to pay over the odds then that's Forest's gain, good luck to them. As for your £27m - as I and Paul has said you get that cash over the time of the players' contracts not in one lump sum as in Championship Manager.
Ralph Malph
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 06:52:20 (PST)
Martin D, I dont mean to be sarcastic, so forgive me if it sounds that way, all a chairman has to do is come to a home game, he will work it out for himself that we must be struggling. Also the Chairman stating he must go to MK for financial reasons must be a good clue!!!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 06:51:23 (PST)
Hutch - What's changed? Well, not being funny but Cort Thatch and Hermann were sold within 2 months of us being relegated (which = Prem proven), and Jase was also Prem proven. What's changed now is our finances. We're in the shite and then some.
RBQC
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 06:45:06 (PST)
And how does the rest of football (and beyond) know we're desperate to save money? Because our wonderful chairman has been screaming it from the rooftops all season. And you all wonder why Brum bid £1m for Trond and Spurs 750k for Morgan.
Martin D
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 06:44:00 (PST)
Hutch, When we got relegated we lost Thatcher, Sully, Euell and Herman shortly after, so that hardley counts. Thatcher was a proven phsyco, sully was a scottish international( if it counts as an international side) and Euell was just quality. I love GA just as muchas you, but you have to face facts, how many games have we had out of him in the last 2 seasons?? Concerning the Jenus transfer, Bobby Robson obviously saw something in him and was prepared to pay the fee. I bet forest would of accepted half that but they got a great transfer. Just the same when we got 7 million from them for Cort, I dont think we could find a pen quick enough to sign it!!!
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 06:38:36 (PST)
Although you could say Janus is unproven he has got rave reviews at both England Under 21 level and reserves. On the point about Euell, Thatch and HH. Thatch and HH went soon after we went down so it was almost a case of being top flight players. Also IMO Euell proved that he was a top player and strikers allways go for higher amounts.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, March 01, 2002 at 06:36:27 (PST)
The Trond price of £1 million is very very low and I was shocked when I heard it. I think on the whole the prices in the transfer market has dropped a lot compared to a few seasons back club's are realising that the TV money is likley to dry up very soon and as it said on the bbc site yesterday if the ITV digital deal falls through about 15 clubs could well go to the wall. Thats almost a whole division!! Scary? I think so.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, March 01, 2002 at 06:31:36 (PST)
Stuart, Forest are in deep shit everyone knows that yet they got £5m for Jenus - is he proven or is that the bare minimum?? we are playing in a weaker league so even more reason to get top whack for our players - we got £7m for Cort £4.5m each for Herman, Euell and Thatch we were in div 1 when we sold them - what has changed now? I'll tell you what I think. Koppell is up to something he is either pleading poverty to appeal to the football league or getting what he can before he gets out. GA loves the dons - with him in the side we have more chance of going up, the club f***** his season and IMO he is worth risking another year for that fact. We have 20 players out of contract in a matter of weeks - why do we have to sell now?
Hutch
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 06:26:29 (PST)
Hutch, historically your right, we always got a great transfer fee for our players. Two differencies this time. 1) we are playing in a weeker league and most of our players are not proven in the premiership. 2)Every club knows we have to sell, they will offer the bare minimum for our players. Doesnt mean we have to sell, but they will understandably bid low figures. Its nothing fishy, its just a fact of the situation we are in
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 06:14:27 (PST)
Hutch, how do you work out GA is intitled to another year. Ok, so we give him a year contract, he plays to the standard we know he can, then sees his contract out and moves to a PL team for nothing?? We would have to give him a 4 year contract that we probally cant afford and we could probally get 3 players for that 1 contract. From what I can remember Forest let John go, because if he scored one more goal they would have to pay his previous club a sum of say £250,000. But you can use Forest as a prime example, it is a disgrace that a club with their following and tradition are nearly folding.The Mark Williams thing I dont think can be blamed to the medical staff from what I understand. MArk only started complaing about it when he knew he couldnt carry on after the first game. He said to me that he thought it was bruising and didnt mention it untill it got unbearable. He is atough cookie..
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 06:01:47 (PST)
they are in big trouble Paul but they got a lot of money for an unproven player. we are trying to flog proven players for peanuts! historically we have always got the best value for our players, something fishy is going on!
Hutch
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 06:01:01 (PST)
With regards to Jenus and his move to Newcastle normally the fee would be paid over a period of time. Nottingham Forest bankers insisted that the full fee be paid within 1 month I think it was £2 mill up front and then the £3 mill at the end of the month. They are in big problems.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, March 01, 2002 at 05:49:55 (PST)
Ralph - what are you talking about? the reason Forest sold the 2 players on the cheap was because they were coming to the end of their contracts - bit like us selling Ardley now and getting £300k for him also Forest are in the shit and have not sold £27m of players in the last 18 months. It is just our chairman, Forest, the same club you accused of selling players on the cheap sold Jenus to Newcastle for £5m - they could of had Lionel, Kenny, Trond, Hughesie and Cooper for that if they asked Koppell nicely!
Hutch
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 05:30:23 (PST)
I'll be in the Main Stand tomorrow with all the other protesters. We wan't CoCKpull out
Red Jacket Man
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 05:23:56 (PST)
The arse is falling out of football. Players out of this divsion will no longer command big fees. All clubs will soon be shafted when itv digital goes belly up, so players will be sold for what ever chairman can get. Look at Forest Stern John and Alan Rogers - 2 of their better players both away for less than £300k combined. So ain't just our chairman. Besides Trond doesn't want to go so there is no worries.
Ralph Malph
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 05:22:51 (PST)
Stu - GA apparently had a piece of bone floating in his ankle which was not picked up by club doctors, there mistake not GA's, legally almost he has a right to another year, the club have made a mistake and he has not had a chance to play - same thing happened with Willo he played 2 games with a fractured leg that was not picked up. The rest of the players that are out of contract, fine let them go, the only risk is to get replacements you have to pay for them - as you say on a tight budget we will be very limited to who we can get. Established internationals should be what we are building the squad around - we have 6, Kenny, Willo, Trond, Mild, Connolly, Hughesie - not many clubs in div 1 can boast that, couple this with a promising number of youngsters, Hawkins, Francis, Gier, Agy, Gray, Jobi, Morgan, Nowland and some decent 1st division players Darlo, Holloway, Cooper, Shipperley, Karlsson, Willmott - we all of a sudden have a squad of 20 made up of all the right ingredients.
Hutch
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 05:19:36 (PST)
Hutch, I understand what you are saying. But I wouldnt give GA another contract. He has been unfortunate with injuries but I dont think you can hold the medical staff that responsible. Its not as if GA is happy not playing, he would of been urging the medical staff to let him play. I know that for a fact as I have spoken to Ga a number of times after games and I have never seen anyone so frustrated about not getting a game. I still think it is obvious we are going to be in loads of debt so I understand us cutting down on the squad. It dont take a genius to realise we are going to lose money with the crowds we have. But I would still of hoped we wouldnt commit transfer suicide by letting established players go on the cheap. Hutch, on the subject that it would take a million quid to replace Trond, well that is easy, we will replace him with either a youth player or some £100,000 journey men.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 05:02:31 (PST)
Stu - Kopell is willing to take any money for any player £1m for Trond proves this! Trond is a definite starter, one of our best players and can play in a number of positions IMO he is worth what we paid for him. We have loads of players out of contract at the end of the season so I really can't see how reducing the wage bill now and weakening the squad for next season would help that much (especially when you consider how much it would cost to replace someone like Trond long term) he is either saying look we have so little money we have to sell our internationals for peanuts to survive or he knows MK is a non starter and is just trying to recoup some money for his boss before he is kicked out. Ralph fair point about GA he has had too many injuries in his time at the club, but this season he was mis-diagnosed by the club his injury at the start of the season should of kept him out for 2 months actually kept him out for 6! IMO he deserves an extra season on the basis that the club f***** up his season.
Hutch
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 04:52:12 (PST)
Stu, do u really think Burton has a say in what players are valued at?! As I said to u the other night I dont think there is a player in the squad he would sell for over a million!
Jamie (jamieweir@fcuk-me.co.uk)
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 04:29:08 (PST)
What worries me is that we have valued Anderson at 1 million!!! Thats is crazy, he is a nowiegian squad member and a important part of our team. I dont mind us selling the players who are on reasonable contract that play in the reserves or on the fringes of the first 11, but to do this is suicide. I would of thought That CK would of asked TB to give him his valuations on every player we have at Wimbledon. It must be interesting reading it if we value Trond at that.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 04:12:40 (PST)
For any Rangers fans out there......Pierre theres only one Pierre, theres only one Pierre, theres only one Pierre!!!!!
Jamie
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 02:24:37 (PST)
Right I'll just nip in while Stu & Brighton are warming up! Seriously tho', I was amused by the 'dismay' Steve Bruce is feeling about not landing Trond. For a start, £1m is not a serious offer for a player like Trond, secondly why is he assuming someone who lives in sunny Wimbledon would want to move to sodding Birmingham?? Oh yeah and the fact we pissed over Brum twice (well 4 times out of 4 recently!) might have had something to do with the decision, Bruce you old paedo!!
R Don
- Friday, March 01, 2002 at 01:59:14 (PST)
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