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Haven't read all the previous posts but was there really a Man of the Match yesterday? Sorry but the game was piss poor! If that's what is dished up to people by so called players earning as much in a week as most earn in 6 months then they can stick it. Burton blamed the pitch and the atmosphere. Hmmm. Get the team playing then the attendance will grow. How can any sane person expect the gate to increase when that's the fare on offer.Two efforts by each side on goal in 90 minutes! The fourth official booed at half time because he held up a minute of added time. Says it all. Shite.
TW
- Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 13:24:24 (PST)
Re: Trond - of course players won't speak out unless directly questioned - but he made it pretty obvious which side he was on last night. You only have to remember what Bobby Gould said recently to see what he could have said. For the record, I was in the VP lounge at the invite of the match sponsors, who booked the day last year, prior to the boycott - and they asked me to attend to take photographs of the occasion, explain the Dons Trust etc. It has been alledged the stewards and police radios were full of reports of 'two WISA activists' infiltrating the main stand - LOL.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 11:00:30 (PST)
I've just been updating myself with some of the postings to this site because I've recently moved house and the e-mail's been out of op.
Firstly the scene in the club shop following the Burnley match; my son (then 9 now 10) was one of the children in the shop at the time (you may recall that I took some stick from some of you last year by saying that I was going to buy him the away kit for Xmas) . We were looking at the badges when we heard the commotion and the chanting at the door. Richard just grinned. Obviously I was concerned for his safety, not because of any threats, because there weren't any, but simply because there was a bit of a crush. We made our way to the door and I had to stick my hand (flat, not fist) in someone's chest to make room for ourselves to leave. Whoever you were (light hair in your twenties), you made way for R to leave straightaway. So thanks very much mate, and sorry about the hand -it was nothing personal ! Incidentally, when we left the shop R just smiled and said, "that was cool, I wish we could have stayed!" Whatever kicked off afterwards I wouldn't know, but while I was there things were just noisy and good humoured.
My position regarding the purchase of merchandise is simple: do you realise just how wealthy these Nogs are ? Do you know how many companies and sources of income they have ? To my way of thinking, the boycott of club merchandise is like hating Al-fayed and deciding to boycott the tobacco kiosk in Harrods - a pointless gesture. Don't get me wrong - I know that this isn't a logical thing, it's an emotional one, but I still don't believe that Koppel gives a s**t whether we buy from him or not, and I thought that was the whole point.
Now I want to let you know how paranoid I am, and this is why I don't believe that merchandise boycotts have anything to do with anything: its been my belief since the end of the 1999/2000 season that THE RELEGATION FROM THE PREMIERSHIP WAS ENGINEERED ! THE AUTHORITIES WOULD NEVER LET A PREMIERSHIP CLUB MOVE ! I think that team selections and backhanders to certain players to ensure that matches were lost were going on all the time, and I also believe that we'll never be allowed to get to the playoffs in this division. Do you want to know something else ? I don't think Olsen had anything to do with it - I think that he was a hapless good guy who was being undermined by other members of the coaching staff and key players, AND I can't prove any of this, but I can smell it !
Just remember this: when we were at home to Villa in our last PL match at SP Burton dropped our top striker to the bench (HARTSON) because he thought he'd be too wound up after being sent off at Bradford and we needed cooler heads ! But he was suspended against Saints anyway, and if we'd lost against Villa and Bradford had won that day, we'd have been down with no second chances! IT ALL STINKS ! Anyone else got any suspicions?
Graham-Walthamstow Don
graham (walthamstow don)
London, - Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 10:35:11 (PST)
CK on the FL board - now surely that is illegal? BTW TB has to go and he can take that shocking ardley with him - what does he do? We must be the only team in the country that has a management team made up of no ex profressionals. TB no, Stu Murdoch no, Ernie Tippet who, Carlton Fairweather yes but with the 19s, Gary Smith who the f**k is he? Are the players likely to listen to or respect these people who have never achieved anything?
Dandie's Warhole (oh er missus)
- Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 06:07:49 (PST)
Ronan - do you really think he would have given another answer? That is a question he can only give one answer to in public. And besides how can he say he would like to play there - he's probably never been. Also Ronan it is my understanding that MOTM takes place in the VP Lounge, what were you doing upo there?
Ralph Malph
- Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 05:18:13 (PST)
RM - Or if they are really lucky they could go home with someone else's partner :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 04:07:06 (PST)
Ronan - Didn't think it was a case of Trond being pushed on the question IIRC the first question was asked and then it was rephrased when he answered. Sorry didn't get a chance to say hello to you in the VP lounge last night I saw you across the room but we shot off early.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 04:00:47 (PST)
Ronan, Its obvious when push comes to shove like last night that Trond is going to say that he prefers Plough Lane, and I honestly believe he means that. But you know as well as me that none of the players will come out with any support for Plough Lane unless they are cornered or done in private. Its frustrating but a fact of life
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 03:55:33 (PST)
Oooops. 'He' is Trond.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 03:48:59 (PST)
Ralph - I'm beginning to think the players should speak out. When pushed about if he was looking forward to playing in Milton Keynes last night during the MOTM q&a session he said that he lives in wimbledon, within walking distance of Plough Lane, and would obviously like to play there. Also, when asked by an employee of the club if it was true that the team preferred to play away games due to the condition of the pitch, atmosphere etc (followed by numerous 'every game is an away game' comments from the people listening in the vp lounge) he said NO, that isn't true.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 03:48:23 (PST)
And WHAT PARTNERS
Green w/envy
- Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 03:41:48 (PST)
MD - they get paid to play football, not get involved in Club politics. There is no need for them to make their feelings public, I'm sorry to say. Most of them if not all will just want to play football and go home to their partners.
Ralph Malph
- Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 02:53:57 (PST)
Ralph, both you and Lee are right. The players, especially the ones out of contract/old/been here a long time SHOULD speak out against MK. It would help our fight enormously by highlighting the obvious divisions within the club itself, give us a much needed boost and show that they actually care about this football club. It wouldn't cost them anything. It would be a PR disaster for Mr.Koppel to do them for speaking out against MK. Unfortunately, you are completely right in that they couldn't give a shit, which makes them pro-MK in my book. Ignorance and loyalty to the club (which means diddly squat any more) does not excuse their silence. Why do we keep cheering them and chanting their names when it seems we and our wishes are completely irrelevant to them?
Martin D
Totally, Fed Up - Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 02:28:13 (PST)
What is Lee Willett on? Have you read his article in Y&B last night? Does he really expect the players to speak out? Does he or anyone else think they care? They couldn't give 2 hoots where we play. There is no loyalty in football, at any level.
Ralph Malph
- Wednesday, February 20, 2002 at 01:48:57 (PST)
Paul, I personally would get Barca to switch the game to the Camp Nou so we could get more money for Alan and also so I can go and play that crazy golf outside the nightclubs on the pier. How can you play golf and look at the girls at the same time?????? By the way it is not a PALACE top, Rivaldo probally would think they are a team who plays a buckingham palace anyway. BTW did anyone see the Barca game against Deportivoooooooooooooooo on Saturday night. The skill by Rivaldo on the second goal was amazing!!!! 60 yard ball to him, he killed it with his in step, lobbed it over the defender, then lobbed it over the goalkeeper for the schoolboy Saviola to score. It was amazing and the comentator wet himself describing it. It was one of them goals that made you jump to your feet regardlesas of what team scored it.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 08:49:48 (PST)
Stu - You only want AK to have a game against Barca so you can wear your "Palace" top with Rivaldo's name on the back!! Anyway dont forget that AK Scored a brilliant free kick against Real Madrid while in a dons shirt and guy's and girls I aint talking CM00/01 here :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 08:14:37 (PST)
My fav moment was when he scored the header against Man Utd at Slehurst in the FA cup. We beat them 1-0 after getting the draw at the Theatre of no noise!!!! A very close second was his goal against Chelsea at the bridge when we beat them 4-2
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 06:50:59 (PST)
John - of course Marcus didn't mean it. It's only those who play for Man Utd or Liverpool that 'mean' it according to commentators. Remember the times when WFC were always 'playing long ball' where if Liverpool hoofed to Rush or Beardsley in a final desperate few minutes it was 'overhit'! Anyway, quite pleased to hear Marcus has been transfer listed by Watford to bring him down a peg or too. Many of you wouldn't be so defensive of him if you had read the crap he wrote about Wimbledon in the Scottish press when joining Rangers.
Edinburgh Don
- Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 05:36:25 (PST)
John - "My favourite moment was when he went mad at some idiot that slagged him off @ Stockport away!" Step forward Mr Xavier Wiggins
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 05:28:50 (PST)
Stu - I very much doubt that Marcus will be playing tonight anyway because he has just been transfer listed! I would also clap him if he was playing though! He was excellent throughout his time @ Wimbledon and took a lot of unneccesary stick during his final season. My favourite moment was when he went mad at some idiot that slagged him off @ Stockport away! FANTASTIC!! Scored possibly some of the best goals ever scored in the yellow and blue and almost scored the best goal of all time against Man Utd away when he controlled the ball from mid-air, nutmegged the defender and shot from 40 yards and Schmiechel tipped it onto the bar and the commentator tried to say he didn't mean it, but we all knew that he did!!!
John
- Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 04:51:06 (PST)
Stu - agree with you about Marcus. Also, Wayne Brown will probably be playing - real shame we couldn't get him - but our squad is too bloody big anyway, time we cut loose some of those players that we don't need.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 03:30:40 (PST)
BW, I agree with alot of your post and I am please to see that for once you admit that kids should not of been distressed in any way. Ill be hones, just like Ralph I am getting bored about the subject now and I would prefere to talk about football. So how much abuse is Marcus going to get tonight everyone??? I personally will clap him as I think his overal service to Wimbledon was excelent. Unfortunalty his last few seasons were not a reflection of his previous form. But I suspect that he may get booed or the usual song of 'Womble reject' which I think personally would be unfair. Discuss
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 03:24:58 (PST)
I'm dreadfully sorry, Stuart, but I'm extremely proud of the fact that out supporters (that is of WFC) have kept SO controlled throughout this whole campaign. It is extremely unfortunate and, in fact, quite upsetting that kids were in any way involved, but I am NOT going to criticise anyone for what happened at the club shop, because, as a group of supporters, WFC supporters have ben criticised enough. What anyone here has singularly FAILED to do is to actually look upon the 'event' for what DIDN'T happen, not what did. The evident self-control of WFC supporters in the face of the most sustained attack we have ever enjured has been not merely admirable, but without precident. I am proud to stand with each and every one of you. At ANY OTHER club there would, by now, have been countless acts of violence and initmidation of club employees at ANY level, but we are better than that and if the self-control slips occassionally , can we not be a little bit less critical? Whatever comes of all this and wherever we are in a month, a year, or ten years time, I can honestly say I am proud to be a womble.
Brighton Womble
Feel like something cheesy...., - Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 02:17:30 (PST)
Ralph, what was it about my piece on Sunday - I presume you mean v Man City or you actually mean the Palace match - that worried you?
Kevin Rye (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
One and the same. Oh yes, - Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 02:07:27 (PST)
LS, Im not sure that the club can organise Testimonials for players anyway, as I dont think we are allowed to use Selhurst for anything other than competative games. I may be wrong but I swear I heard this somewhere. Roan Noads may let us for a fee, but lets be honest, we cant get a decent crowd for a league game, so a testimonial would be even worst. Unless we can tempt say Barcalona with Rivaldo and all to play in say Kimbles Testimonial that I think he deserves.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
l, - Tuesday, February 19, 2002 at 01:05:33 (PST)
How about the Club doing as others have done and granting all players due a testimonial next year one at the end of this season? Could be a good sign of goodwill and some recognition of the factthatthey do actually have some interest than lining their own pockets. Puzz;ed as to why it should be down to WISA to organise what should be Club orgainsed events. Whatever happened ot the old fashioned testimonial commitee?
A Loyal Suporter
- Monday, February 18, 2002 at 15:19:00 (PST)
Ralph I was at the meeting where Koppel made the 15 million pound comment. He made no effort to substantiate what it was based on. The fact is if a consortium or an individual bought the club when it was in administration they would be required to reach an accomodation with the creditors. This would not normally involve the new owners settling all liabilities in full. The 15 million incidentally isnt debts either it is apparently (depending on who you believe) the gap over an 18 month period between our income and our liabilities. As such it is based on current costs which will obviously be substantially reduced by the reductions in wages arising from the end of season sale of the century.
Sean Fox
- Monday, February 18, 2002 at 13:10:18 (PST)
I'm bored of this whole CS issue now - but one final point, I'm sure if you could BW you would have prefered it done in a different manner. MD - I care if we are playing in Div 1 or Prem. I know all the crap that is going on has taken a major gloss of the actual game, but jeez, to cheer me up I wouldn't mind seeing some decent players on the pitch. Not that I'm saying told you so - but there seems to be some negative posts regarding the future, both on here and on w&ww. People beginning to question if the Club will exist next season. Good Y&B on Sunday although Kevin Rye's piece about the DT buying the club for a £, worried me. He didn't say where the £15m was coming from. I read on w&ww someone questioning where all the transfer money has gone. I just wonder if people are aware in the real world it ain't like Championship Manager. The money doesn't appear in the bank the next day, it is more often than not paid over the duration of the contract signed. So no doubt the club would have budgeted to use that cash to pay off the loans from norway, over the duration.
Ralph Malph
- Monday, February 18, 2002 at 09:34:21 (PST)
Bw, you must be on drugs my friend, I have never glossed over the achievments of wimbledon fans. I am regulary amazed at the length people will go to, to get wimbledon on the map and noticed for our fight in the media. However I will never change my view about the Burnley match and it saddens me that you think the club shop employees make up stories or make them more dramatic that what they are. If you think that we have glossed up the kids issue at the shop, then may I suggest that you are the sad one.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Monday, February 18, 2002 at 08:53:08 (PST)
Who cares if our players are Prem or Div 1 standard? The whole team could be either in MK or up for sale/liquidised soon anyway.
Martin D (Wake up and smell the linament)
- Monday, February 18, 2002 at 07:55:30 (PST)
Ronan - all i was doing was stating an opinion that 3 of our players are not good enough to be playing for this club. Their loyalty is unquestionable, but which league do you want to be playing in? I had a conversation with a friend the other day about the Prem league and it's first season. Look back at the teams and the players and compare it now. Now I enjoy going to Grimsby, sad I know, but wouldn't you rather be going to Anfield etc...? We are currently bottom half of the first division because we deserve to be, we are not even in the top 32 clubs in England at the minute. What does that tell you about Ardley, Hawkins, Kimble, Blackwell, Jupp, Gier, Gray, Feuer. They are not good enough for top half of Div 1.
Raplh Malph
- Monday, February 18, 2002 at 04:28:00 (PST)
CD - And Just for Ronan another negative post :) The idea of a Dons vs K's Match sounds good but from what little I know about benefit games they are very difficult to organise. And with K's in their current financial state I am sure that they would be unable to provide the stadium for free and would most probably want a fee for the game then you have the question of Insurance for all players. A benefit evening i.e. meal, guest speaker, auction (where's tall Mark) is likley to raise more. another Idea could be a dogs night as I think Alan has a couple of greyhounds. I cant speak on WISA's behalf but thats my view on it.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, February 18, 2002 at 03:48:33 (PST)
Ronan, for Ralphy to agree with me on the likes of Blackwell, Ardley etc, is a big step forward as he has never agreed with me on anything before, Ralph my boy have you been listening to your girlfriend again you seem to have mellowed or is it the lull before the storm
Wibbly Don
- Monday, February 18, 2002 at 03:34:19 (PST)
Ralph - do you ever say anything positive? I could be wrong - but you seem to find something negative to say everytime you post here.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Monday, February 18, 2002 at 03:18:56 (PST)
WD - I agree entirely that Blackwell, Kimble and Ardley could do a job in the lower divisions. Sadly if this club is to progres on the field then it is dead wood like this that has to be cleared. It was evident as soon as we lost Hughes on Saturday that the game changed. Ardley neither has the speed, in thought or movement, or the craft to dominate. I'm not knocking Neal as a bloke, cos he is a Don through and through, but if we want to get back to playing in the Premier League we need shot of players like him. As Roy Walker used to say on Catchphrase, 'it's good, but it's not quite right...'
Ralph Malph
- Monday, February 18, 2002 at 00:52:07 (PST)
Stuart REPD is indeed right on my silence it rather more reflects the fact that I do not have access to a computer in the days after saturday home games as I utilise the opportunity of being in South London to go and see my friends and family. So sorry to blow your hopes out of the water on that one:)
Paul I wasnt linking current shop employees to the assault in 1996. I was raising this because of the fact that it has made me highly unlikey to forceably attempt to enter the Clubshop in view of the fact that that particular incident resulted in the need for extensive dental work and a sevcere lot of pain for some months!!!
I couldnt say I have any complaints about the stewarding staff on the current shop as they were exceptionally polite and helful on the only time I have visited after the Burnley game.
I have no problem with differences of opinion I have one Stuart and Paul have a different one. As both will be aware my problem is with personal abuse something they complain about and demonisation. If people make allegations that are inaccurate or unsubstantiated I will continue to challenge them as I am sure is my right.
I as i have said make no bones about my position on the nerchandising boycott, I make no bones about my postion on Koppel, Roekke and the rest of the owners.Doesnt stop me sitting with them at OWFF though difficult as that is.
There is a priority here and that is this football Club and ensuring it doesnt go to Milton Keynes then ensuring it comes back to hwere it belongs. it is sad that some feel the need to descend into personal abuse whatever side they be on. I personally have avoided that durign what have been difficult months if people are civil to me they will be treated likewise as those of you who know me are aware.
Sean Fox
- Monday, February 18, 2002 at 00:43:45 (PST)
Paul, your dead right me old mate, just seems a shame that these people have spent so much time at Wimbledon and yet will receive nothing, especially people like Blackwell, Ardley and Kimble
wibbly don
- Sunday, February 17, 2002 at 14:26:06 (PST)
Stuart, Ed. Don and the rest of you, stop going on about it, cos it's people like you who DO gloss over the fantastic acheivements of the campaign by ALL supporters.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Sunday, February 17, 2002 at 14:21:31 (PST)
Paul - How about WISA organising a Dons v K's match at Kingsmeadow for AK?
Clever Don
- Sunday, February 17, 2002 at 14:18:08 (PST)
WD - I would have been surprised if Alan Kimble would of had a testimonial match next season not due to CK or anything but due to the fact that we havent provided Testimonial games since Alan Cork's in 88. If I am not mistaken Dean Blackwell was due one and a number of other staff may have been due them since 88 but they have never been done. Perhaps a do like the Batsford evening could be arranged?
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, February 17, 2002 at 13:26:07 (PST)
Bit sad Kimble leaving at the end of the season as he was due a testimonial next year, he has been a pretty good servant to the Dons throughout his career, and as Ralphy Boy's girlfriend stated peoples livlihoods are at stake, Ralphy I think that your girlfriend knows Charlie boy better than you, but I am sure that people like Ardley, Ainsworth, Blackwell,Kimble and a few of the others will do a good job for someone else, maybe in a lower division
Wibbly Don
- Sunday, February 17, 2002 at 10:19:24 (PST)
A number of points to sort out. 1) The question about putting the club shop issues to bed would be a nice idea but when comments are made like they were I have the right to reply. As you say it looks like two versions of events will remain. 2) Ronan - As per the notice on the shop at the Man City game the shop was shut on Police advise following events at the Burnley game I spoke to a number of people at the MC game Tall "skint" Mark, Binca and a few others and confirmed this. The only person that works both shops is Chris and he was working (well as much as he does :]) 3) SF - I am a little bit dissapointed that you bring up the issue of a "problem" that you had in the old shop (i.e. Palace) we all had some sort of problems in their and this is the whole thing about having our own shop with people that care about our fans and treat them with respect. Even our stewards now although they have Palace loyalty's go out of their way to help supporters and make a nice atmosphere in their. 4) Ronan - My argument is the classic that when it comes to press and football it is a lot harder to get good stuff reported than bad stuff. Yes their have been some very good things done but a couple of incidents like this will see all that hard work blown out of the window it may not have been a WISA event but when WISA are behind a lot of the campaigns and handing out leaflets it difficult for people to tell the difference. - I think for now that cover everything :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, February 17, 2002 at 04:54:40 (PST)
Another game were we've dropped points when we should have won. Palace football wise were second best but they harried and chased everything. This has become common this season. Teams that chase and use a bit of muscle put the Dons right off their stride. It's a ploy we used to use so perhaps we ought to bring a little bit of it back. We looked a tired side at times in the second half. Maximuscle!!!??? I'll leave that opinion to everybody watching yesterday. We had our chances but we refused to do the simple thing and we always want to make a pass too many. And why did Connelly go for glory with a shot that even if on target Clarke had covered? A simple square ball to Wu Tang would surely have given us a second goal?
TW
- Sunday, February 17, 2002 at 02:41:39 (PST)
Stuart D - perhaps Ronan, SF et al may be in bed and/or not near a computer. Just a thought.
REPD (treatment@theden.com)
With 50 of his hard mates, - Sunday, February 17, 2002 at 01:25:46 (PST)
Ronan, SF and others you silence speaks volumes on the shop issue!!!!!!
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
Lovely Wimbledon, - Sunday, February 17, 2002 at 01:16:54 (PST)
What about the cheerleaders to-day brilliant rendition of hheeyyyyyy Charlie Koppell ooooohhhh aaahhh a wana knowwwww oooohhhh why your such a ???? to start their performance and even the scoreboard has got it in for the Evil Charlie, mind you all concerned have probably been sacked by now
Wibbly Don
- Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 14:45:47 (PST)
Wibbly - maybe it was all the hearts and flowers getting to everyone? ;-)
Edinburgh Don
- Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 14:31:07 (PST)
Wibbly - been up here just over a year, got to a few games towards the end of last season, but have had limited chances this year. The fixture list hasn't been kind - every time we have a game that would be within decent travelling distance, I've either been working or something has gone wrong (like evening or Bank Hol matches, so no train home afterwards or the trains going on strike just in time for the Middlesbro replay)! As for Y&B, there is another Ed Don who gets it sent up, so I get a glance at his copies, but thanks for the offer! Ralph - nice one,
made me chuckle, that did! Was it Cowdenbeath you were at? Drop us a mail if you're up this way again.
Edinburgh Don (edinburghdon@yahoo.co.uk)
- Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 14:29:16 (PST)
Guys, is it not time that we put the shop saga to bed, everyone seems to have their own opinion can we not justagree to disagree and get on with the real task in hand to stop Koppel killing our club, I thought that all the in house fighting had stopped until it raised it's ugly head on the 14th Feb, discussion can be healthy but pure bad mouthing do's nobody any good, I have just checked back to some of the earlier posts and I said on the 14th Feb" getting a bit spooky in here everyone being nice to each other " and within hours it was down town beiruit. E Don do you get to many games and do you get Y&B if not I could send some issues up for you
Wibbly Don
- Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 11:40:42 (PST)
ED - are you sure its 400 miles you come and not 500, because then you could - 'You could walk 500 miles, and you would walk 500 more, just to be the man who walked 1000 miles to see the Wombles score.....' Seeing as your from up that way :0)
Ralph Malph
- Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 04:03:01 (PST)
Ronan, I think alot of what you said in your last post is very true. I think the thing that gets glossed over is the fact everyone went really quite on the issue as if it was guilt about the KIDS inside. I spoke to loads of my mates after the event and none of them had heard about it. Some 3 or 4 weeks after it. It just seemed strange because normally succesful protests were gloated about as they rightly should. Im not for one minute saying it was a WISA protest, to me that is besides the point, I dont care who organised it or if even it was spontanious. We at the shop had seen many protests before not once got envovled in responding because I, as I have always said, understood the merchandise issue. But when I had my girlfriend and son and also about 8-10 kids in the shop you tend to react and try to protect them. As for the Trust issue about merchandise, I dont really want to get involved to much, but as I am noe not an employee anymore I suppose I can give a unbiased opinion. I personally am not supprised the club wouldnt give the trust any merchandise. Anyway whoever one the gifts, ie home or away top, would not be able to wear it on matchdays. I should know, I wear the merchandise all the time on matchdays as I think the quality is good, but you should see the looks I get, anyone would think I have C~~T written on my forehead. Sean, by the way wear did you get the impresion that I thought you were threatening me or getting peole to go after me from. I know you are the 6th most wanted person but you dont frighten me like that :-) Im not a violent person, even though because of my size I get dodgy looks. I wouldnt hurt a fly and if I saw you I would not be horrible or nasty, Im not like that.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 03:43:49 (PST)
Nice to see it has all kicked off in here again - you'd think you all had nothing better to do (like save your football club).Whatever happened at the club shop that day (and I'm raging I missed it), it is one minor blip on a fantastic campaign that has won praise from all corners of the football, media and policital arenas. Yes, there is CCTV footage of the protests, and no, nobody has been charged with anything. As you all know, WISA have excellent links with the police regarding the protests (and the shop one was NOT organised by WISA) - nothing has been said about it. Also nice to see the specific allegations against Sean and his role on the day have stopped. AFAIK, the club shop was closed for the Man City game due to staff shortages - just like it was closed in the Broadway. Remember that CK didn't report his alledged garden vandalism to the police either. What annoys me about the whole thing is that WFC Ltd have decided not to help the Dons Trust because WISA (who haven't even joined the trust yet) have a shop boycott. Can't everyone see they are trying to murder our club - and are laughing all the way to MK while the fans have stupid fights about what did or didn't happen.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 02:53:33 (PST)
I do not recall actually saying I was proud to be on the most wanted list as it goes. The point I was making is that the club has a hit list (a well known and well accepted fact) and that I had been advised by a reliable source that I was on it. The list is in fact based not upon violence or agression as it beign implied(which would be a mater for the poloce anyway) but on activity agaisnt the Clubs attempts to remove itself to Milton Keynes. Inthat secenario yes I owuld love to be number one on it of course because I wouldnt in my humble opinion be doing the job for which i iwas elected if I did not. Both on OWFF and WISA I have made no secret of my oppostion to Milton Keynes, and I have made no secret of my absolubte support for the merchandising boycott and protest.
Oh and for the record I did not in the words of one contribyter lead a mob round to the Clubshop I dont happen to have a little posse I can round up at the drop of a hat. In fact I suggest people re-read my version of events as to my involvement I entered the shop without challenge to look at merchandise, the crowd was already outside when I did so and had been by my judgement for some time before I even arriced. Pleasing as it might be that people might rise up in my defence unfortunatley its a myth , and I base this on the fac that the last time I got assualted at Selhurst my a Clubshop employee everyone looked the other way with theexception of one kind gentleman who verfied the incident to the police. (that was 1996 btw and the employees name was Clifford Warde)
Stuart since you have said rpeeatedly that you dont know me then I am puzzled that you think I have no sense of humor. I think were you to ask your friends who do they may contrasdict this as it goes still your choice. Maybe if you are at the next reserve game you would care to find out. Oh and for chrissakes stop implying that I made some sort of threart or intimidation against you what I asjed you to do was cease rpeatign what you know well to be inaccurate information regardign what I may or may not have been doing in the Clubshop :) Theway you use this line implies I sent the boys round to kneecap you !!!! (and bedore anyone jumps on that it was a joke )
Sean Fox
- Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 02:42:09 (PST)
ED - You are a star Sir, well said. May have disagreed over last couple of weeks with each other on a few points but you are spot on. I couldn't agree more. Mr Fox you are obviously blinded by you celebrity status.
Ralph Malph
- Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 01:59:39 (PST)
Ooops, posted in mid-stream! Brighton - as a 'caring social worker' you of all people should know that what is a 'mild' bit of argy bargy between a few blokes can be terrifying to a child. I don't care if it was 'mild compared to other clubs' - I don't want to see aggro if I take my lad to football, and to be honest it makes me think why the f**k should I bother travelling 400 miles to go to a game. Millwall or Cardiff supporters may have acted a-lot worse, but I am a Wimbledon supporter - someone who contributed to WFC fans winning so many awards for good behaviour over the years, someone who joined the conga at Villa while 7-1 down or spent ages chatting to Liverpool fans in the car park at Wembley in '88. Louts dragging that reputation through the dirt makes me sick. Aggro will NOT win any battle - just see the 'rural rebel' campaign - where has antagonism got them? Peaceful protest yes - violent or intimidating protest no. Those kids in that shop are the next gen of Dons fans - they may now be too scared to set foot inside a football park again. It's a community thing? Is that only until a bunch of fools have too much shandy and can't control themselves? BTW Sean - if you are so proudly on the 'wanted list' (delusion of granduer if ever I saw one) and a known 'activist' who would obviously be aware of the merchandise boycott, then you turn up at the shop with a mob outside - don't you think the shop staff would be justified in being just a wee bit suspicious of your motives?
Edinburgh Don
- Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 01:40:46 (PST)
Sean, I have known Paul for a long time, and I trust his word and judgement of events. No, I wasn't there, which is unfortunate as it may have been interesting to study and contribute towards my diploma in Animal Behaviour.
Edinburgh Don
- Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 01:27:03 (PST)
Sean Fox, you are only number 6 on the wanted list!!!!!!!!!!! Thats pathetic, but thats a tag people use for you anyway. All that hard work to be a knob and you only get to number 6!!! I would imagine Brighton Womble is higher than you. Ohhh SF is a Wa##er, he wears a Wa##kers hat...... Now theres a great new song for today...
ONLY NUMBER 6 (cant find an interesting name,co.uk)
Lovely Wimbledon, - Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 00:47:26 (PST)
SF, I thought you might come back on here about this issue. As you can quite easily read from my last post, I wrote what I saw rather than what I thought people were going to do. So I dont get any more threats from a certain person, they know who they are!!! Talking about having respect, I couldnt give a shit if you respect me or not, I wont lose sleep, in fact I will sleep alot better!! SF, you seem to avoid 1 issue though on this event. I at the time didnt mind the protests about the merchandise and we have had that all season, the one disturbing point was that kids were involved!!! KIDS!!!! Let me say it one more time KIDS!!!!!. Do you have children yourself??? My girlfriend had here kid in there and he cried all that evening and would not sleep on his own. Protest to your hearts content but please everyone dont involve the kids. Sean, I hope I havent accused you of anything directly, although I know you will get the magnifying glass out :-) Shit, I forgot you have no sense of humour!! Silly me.
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 00:22:46 (PST)
SF - So now like Brighton womble you are claiming that the events "that happened" (Not that are made up by people who wernt even their) didn't happen. Now we know you were their! So are you saying the stuff about kids in tears and frightened parents didn't happen? Regarding "Shop staff having an axe to grind" with who over what? because that comment has made me laugh.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 00:16:21 (PST)
SF - Regarding CCTV and the shop you will need to take this issue up with the club due to fact that all security/cctv is controlled within the stadium. Regarding the kicking in of doors one of the doors is permenantly shut. You claimed in the past that the club have a "Top 10" of Dons fans who they are watching (wernt you at number 6 or something).
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Saturday, February 16, 2002 at 00:08:16 (PST)
Prat-hmm incisive and meaninsful comment Mr Edin. Don I didnt say frightening children was legitimate protest in my post. Protesting outside the shop and picketing the entrance is however in my humble opinion. So were you there then by the way or are you just taking one versiom of events as more legitimate than the other. As we know the shop staff have no axe to grind at all do they?
Sean fox
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 15:35:22 (PST)
Frightening kids is legitimate protest? Don't be a prat.
Edinburgh Don
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 14:50:35 (PST)
I dont need to hide behind log ons since at least one person on this site has already implicated me in alleged illegal activites involving the Clubshop against Burnley. Not going to say who but they know who they are. Oh and if they want to call me a thug to my face I will have a little bit more repsect for them than I have at the moment. Nobody attempted to kick in the club shop door: why because it wasnt closed, nobody forced their way into the shop: why because there wasnt anybody blocking the door and I shouold know because I entered the shiop before being forceably removed on the intstructions of the staff. Its called legitimate protest and I repeat the comments I made at the time. If laws were broken how come nobody's been arrested? For that matter perhaps Paul , Stuart or Chris(who reads this site iirc)could clear something up for me : are there CCTV camerca's in the shop or immediately outside? if so perhaps they might like to explain why there are no notices advertsing this as required under the law , for that matter is it the case that Clubshop employees have been asked ot identify so called troublemakers? Look forward to the ansers feel free to e-mail me if you dont want to post the replies on a public guestbook
Sean Fox (seanphilfox@aol.com)
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 14:31:42 (PST)
Ralph, Dangermouse, go onto the W&WW Guestbook for just a minute and look at the news section, ( sorry Paul) hopefully it will put into perspective what Koppell is about, again this is just some of his lies, councillers and members of parliament are strange people and as we are all well aware they tend to bend some truths but at the moment people like Andrew Judge and Roger Casale who are pushing to return the Dons to Plough Lane have my total backing and should Mr Judge fall at the next election I honestly beleive the community spirit that there is around Wimbledon and with the launch of the Dons Trust whoever comes in would be foolish not to take a return to Plough Lane seriously, Paul what do you think, have you ever seen the support for Wimbledon more focussed and passionate than it was on Sunday
Wibbly Don
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 14:11:51 (PST)
Ralph my boy, getting a bit hot on here now, what I am saying is Koppell has been telling lies from virtually day 1, and BW only touched on the very tip of the iceberg as MOST people who follow Wimbledon are well aware of the facts( true fans, probably wrong terminollogy) sorry!!!, peoples livlihoods are at stake as we found out today another 2 employees gone, 18 players out of contract at the end of the season this is not the Trust, WISA or Merton Council, this is the genius that is Charles Koppell, we are fighting for survival, strong words but, football is more than a hobby to some of us, when you get 1200 people on a Sunday, Paul being one of them all cheering and shouting support for a return to Plough Lane you realise it is not just a hobby or a pastime it is a passion, the people who for many reasons could not make it missed something very very special which is sad, you can take the piss should you like and I am sure that some of you will but I am passionate about my club and their return to plough Lane. Dangermouse I have never enterd into conversation re the club shop so please keep me out of it, I agree with the demonstrations as long as they are law abiding and have been told who were involved and I am disgusted by their actions should they be true and I have no reason to beleive otherwise (sorry for the ramble )
Wibbly Don
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 13:44:37 (PST)
BW. I was in the club shop day and as you are already aware I dont hide behind made up names!!! I can tell you what I saw that day and if you were in there on the other side you would of been very worried. Its alright saying that it was tame compared to other demos but unless you are there you cant even begin to understand. The issue was, that we and the parents of those kids had no idea how strong the protest was going to be. Wether it would just be pushing and shoving or turn into violence. I had my girlfriend and her son in there and I was really concerned for there safety. Just to point out I am not assuming what happened or what people did, I actually saw with my own eyes. One thing I will say, it was amazing when I spoke to my mates about the incident, they told me that they had heard it was nothing and there was no trouble at all. When I told them what I saw, they were disgusted!!! Luckly they believe what I say and could probally see by my face that I was not making it up!!! Like I have said many times before, I dont believe the people at the back had any idea that kids were in the shop, because the entrance is very small and once the front bit is covered it is very hard to see inside. The ones I am disgusted with are the people we saw at the front, they are people I know and respected for being a dons fan. Not any more, they are just thugs to me. I wont name names on here, so dont bother asking. I dont fancy a hit squad on me, I have got away from that by quiting the shop.
Stuart D (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
Wimbledon, - Friday, February 15, 2002 at 09:28:49 (PST)
BW - my name is Dangermouse Hatton. My Dad thought it would be funny to change by name from Ben when he was drunk one night beck in the late 80's. My mum divorced him pretty soon afterwards. But I like it anyway. I'm not here to cause trouble, mildy irratating yes, but the point is I don't agree with everything that is being done or how WISA or MC a acting, in the same manner I dont agree with CK. And I will gladly admit that I have been presented with some counter evidence to my statements that have made me think.
Dangermouse
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 09:27:46 (PST)
BW - OK Understand what you are saying. I do agree that compared to some clubs it could be classed as "nothing" but I think most other clubs didn't try and cause problems to on the whole innocent peeople (I expect the answer of anyone buying stuff is no longer innocent, but put that view aside for the time being). If for any reason Chris tells me that I am no longer required then thats that but until then I will work for and with Chris on a match day.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, February 15, 2002 at 09:18:17 (PST)
It's pretty much what I was trying to say, though I'm sorry if it came across as an accusation that you were lying and I was telling the truth. I was there that day, and it was, for footie, pretty tame, although I know it must have scared some people. To the point, however. I know you're sticking to your guns, but isn't it getting a bit too close to the line now? Especially with the sackings today.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 08:38:44 (PST)
BW - Bit of a different view you are trying to put over now. As I have said I was in the shop I saw what happened I imagine that some of stories that have come out was even from people that wernt in 0.5 miles of the shop when it went on. I have even been told things that have been claimed that I have done from the grapevine all 100% untrue.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, February 15, 2002 at 08:31:41 (PST)
1. Stop hiding behind your made up name. 2. I don't doubt the police reacted in that way as a result of the demo, but I think it was an overreaction based on the panic whipped up. 3. TBH, I wish the club shop would stay closed, there's a boycott on anyway. I'm sick of this conversation; the shop shouldn't even be open. Koppel has sacked Dr Cruickshank (Club Doctor) and worse still, Ron Suart, Chief Scout. If they are so easily let go, think how easy it would be to do the same to people at the club shop.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
Or are you going to keep playing this ignorant game?, - Friday, February 15, 2002 at 08:24:45 (PST)
BW - so if the incidents at the Club Shop were blown out of all proportion, why did the Police see fit to request its closure against City? Our biggest crowd of the season would have hearlded one of the biggest days for sales in a season. So if the Club need the money I'm sure the decision to shut the shop was not taken lightly. There was obviously a real threat to customer and staff safety if the boys in blue recommmended it's closure?
Mouse of the Dangerous Kind
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 08:16:51 (PST)
It was blown up out of all proportion. That's what I have eluded to all along. All I know is that what happened was not half as bad as it was made out to be.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 08:09:04 (PST)
BW - So which one is it going to be? is it a) forget the crap about frightened children and kids. We heard all that made-up stuff after the shop demo. You're just stirring. or b) I never said that ther weren't incidents. I suggested they'd been blown out of all proportion - Once again I ask the question one of us i.e. me or you is not telling the truth so who is it me or you?
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, February 15, 2002 at 08:04:39 (PST)
Ralphie babie, Gene Saunders is a council officer and is thus an employee. Andrew Judge is a councillor.
Dangermouse - hiding behind a made up name - I never said that ther weren't incidents. I suggested they'd been blown out of all proportion. Don't accuse me of something I have not said. Check your facts.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 07:34:25 (PST)
'Same shit, different day', why don't you post under something a little more revealing? My name's Kev, what's yours? Mindless fool.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 07:29:39 (PST)
Martin D - I have a feeling Chris (Who I am assuming is the Chris from the shop) was joking. BW - You knob. End of.
Same shit, different day
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 07:24:48 (PST)
Paul, it wasn't that exciting. It just said thanks for putting the Trust link up and, in the light of the further recent sackings, do you think you (and the merchandise/club shop people) will be next? You could resign first of course and keep your dignity ;o) Dangermouse seems to have a hidden agenda which is why he is so focussed on a very minor event at the club shop, probably the only even vaguely violent action that extremely provoked fans have taken.
Martin D (Echo!)
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 07:02:47 (PST)
Martin D - I have just made an error due to the volume of posts I was downloading the guestbook and I pressed the wrong button so I uploaded the old guestbook and therefore your post has disapered I can assure that it wanst done on purposes if you can remember what you put please re-post once again sorry.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, February 15, 2002 at 05:57:20 (PST)
I forgot to ask - Are Andrew Judge and Gene Saunders up for re-election in May? A serious question now - if they are and don't get in, is any new person likely to be so WFC friendly in trying to get the club to PL?
Ralphie Babie
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 05:26:59 (PST)
So then BW, WD and MD - if none of those incidents happened at the Club Shop against Burnley and it is all lies - why was it shut against Man City? Why did the Police recommend it be shut down? Please don't tell me they have been taken in by CK's spin and lies as well. You lot make me sick - how can you possibly justify the scaring of families and children? Do not dare come back with at me how can I support CK? because I don't but as for the hard men scaring kids you ought to be ashamed to call yourselves football fans. Paul you are a liar I tell you!!! Because I forgot that BW and Andrew Judge are the Oracle's and everything they say must be true? Paul stick with it kid - you are a real fan.
Dangermouse
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 05:23:09 (PST)
Wibbly - just because I dont necessarily agree with all your arguements doesn't mean I'm not a true supporter. That just sums up the mentality of some of our fans, because I don't or wont agree then I'm not a true supporter. Sorry that is c**p. People need to loose the blinkers and look at the whole picture. There are peoples livlihoods at stake, whereas for the rest of us it is a pastime or hobby. (not my words those of my girlfriend) She may have a point.
Ralph Malph
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 05:15:44 (PST)
The New revised Dons trust site has gone live dont forget to
check it out at http://www.thedonstrust.org
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, February 15, 2002 at 04:36:36 (PST)
Dangermouse, I don't really understand where you're coming from with your comments. You seem to be the one who wants to insult people, not me (e.g. "he is running out of things to get his knickers in a twist about") Paul and Chris know full well which idiot I was referring to. And in the same way that I wouldn't want to work for an organisation like Bloomberg whilst they had that right-wing meglomaniac in charge, I would be very embarrassed and ashamed if the chairman/CE of my employers came out with the sort of garbage Mr Koppel just has done.
Ralph, why do you think many of our supporters have become "unhinged"? Just maybe it's this long-running and painful MK nonsense? And I don't understand your whole scenario of "selling merchandise to our young-uns" as if everything was perfectly OK and WFC wasn't a club in a massive crisis.
Martin D (Not being insulting to anyone)
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 03:12:18 (PST)
BW - "forget the crap about frightened children and kids. We heard all that made-up stuff after the shop demo. You're just stirring." - So it all made up is it? well what you just said their is 100% lies. I was in the shop I saw it I saw young kids in tears and parents in a state of shock as people outside screamed abuse at them and some people tried to kick down the door. So who is lying over the events at the shop protest at the Burnley game me or you?
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, February 15, 2002 at 03:02:54 (PST)
BW, well done for laying out some of the facts that any self respecting Wimbledon fan would already be aware of, unfortunately you have only printed the tip of the iceberg as most of us know there are many more that could be printed, it will be interesting to hear the comments from the sceptics, Ralphy any CONSTRUCTIVE comments
Wibbly Don
- Friday, February 15, 2002 at 01:24:17 (PST)
Oooops! Try this instead! http://www.charleskoppel.com/
Brighton Womble
- Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 16:11:32 (PST)
Take a butchers
Brighton Womble (http://www.charleskoppel.com/)
- Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 16:10:57 (PST)
Dangermouse, proves how little you actually know mate. First of all there is a merchandise boycott on, second of all forget the crap about frightened children and kids. We heard all that made-up stuff after the shop demo. You're just stirring. There's no need to take a pop at a few selected people. Ralph, you really do talk a load of old pants.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 16:03:54 (PST)
Me, a category "A" hooligan? I'm flattered...
REPD (bushwhackers@millwall.com)
With some knuckledusters, - Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 12:13:31 (PST)
Ralphy, why keep looking at the negatives IF, you are a true Wimbledon Supporter then you would KNOW that a very large percentage of what Koppell is saying are lies and as for knocking people like BW, that is way out of order, he along with many on the W&WW have done and are doing an incredable amount of work to ensure that we have a team to support in the future
Wibbly Don
- Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 09:48:30 (PST)
Paul - it's nice to see that MD has reverted to bringing the Club Shop issues back. That must mean he is running out of things to get his knickers in a twist about. You stick with it kid, I would rather have someone I know selling merchandise to our young-uns than some freak who doesn't care about the fans. Mind you we seem to have an element who are keen to frighten little children and families who shop in there. Ooooh what tough men they are!!!!
Dangermouse
- Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 09:19:42 (PST)
I'ts hard working for an Idiot like Chris but someone has to :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 09:17:03 (PST)
Hi boys... I see that CK has come out with a response to Judge Dreads press release. And of course it is all lies lies lies. Get a grip has anyone been reading Jonesy site? God I never realised we had so many unhinged supporters. Get a grip people!!! BW, if I didn't know who you were, you might actually scare me. As for that REPD character, has he been reading every hoolie book ever published or is he really a catogroy A hooligan? now he doesn't scare me cos I've seen him too. Did you honestly expect CK not to respond? And if it is all lies then won't Judge Dread sue him? There seems to be too much flapping and loose sphincters about in the last hour or so.
Ralphie Baby
- Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 09:13:05 (PST)
Martin - who are you calling an idiot?!?!?!?
Chris (i.e. Paul's direct boss)
- Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 08:56:35 (PST)
I know your position Paul, but seriously, how can you stand to work for such a complete idiot?
Martin D (Bringing up an old chestnut)
- Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 08:53:53 (PST)
All those of you on here who still credit Mr Koppel with even an ounce of sense or ability really should read his/Brunswick's latest cut'n'paste job on the O/S. It is absolutely hilarious!
Martin D (Laughing my head off at Mr. Koppel)
- Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 08:48:15 (PST)
E Don, it is starting to get a bit spooky on here everyone starting to be nice to each other, the launch was indeed a grand affair and very inspirational, there is rumours that there may a video of the occassion, well done for joining the Trust
Wibbly Don
- Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 07:19:52 (PST)
Wibbly - I agree with you totally, I was just trying to get a bit of debate going, instead all I got was a retard from Palace! Would have liked to have been at the launch as it sounds like it was a good 'do', but it's a bit of a long bus ride from up here, and my form is in the post to WISA anyway!
Edinburgh Don
- Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 05:48:43 (PST)
DP Ask's the question who cares about WFC? Well perhaps the answer is HE Does as he has spent time in tracking down this site to post his "views".
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 01:45:24 (PST)
What the hell has this got to do with you, you freak of nature? Please go away and shave your palms you palarse knob. £2.2m on Akinbyebye, you have lost the plot. If you think we are non league you'll be joining us in 3 seasons.
Indeed BW I am on the prozac! Again MC have made a rash statement, that everyone is clinging on to. Again there are no established plans, just ideas and say-so. There may well be an FL meeting, but what are they going to do? I can't understand why you do not get it? The club can't wait 5 years for a stadium it will go belly up before then. Who is going to buy it. No assets just a name and a few employees, who must be filling their smalls at the minute wondering if they are going to get paid. As a trust memeber I very much doubt if we will be able to: 1st buy the club and 2nd fund it.
Ralph Malph
- Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 01:42:20 (PST)
FFS who cares about WFC? The whole thing that is illustrated by this Concrete Cow move is that the ambition of Wimbledon fans is still in the non-league era. How many of you would honestly turn up and watch a supporters side? Get a grip and do us all a favour an sod off back to non league where you and your mentalities belong. EEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS.
Davie P
- Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 00:53:25 (PST)
Ralph, take that bleeding Prozac. See what Merton has done in a broadly political context. They're turning the screw ffs. Can't you see. All of a sudden they're in favour of franchising. Can't you think laterally?
Brighton Womble
- Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 15:07:48 (PST)
E Don, I think that it would refer to local team Wimbledon, Merton area, I think that there would be hell to pay if anyone attempted to bring in an outsider, for want of a better terminology, after all that we are going through with Koppell and I honestly do not beleive that Merton Council would be so crass in any decision that they made as they understand fully the feelings of the Wimbledon Supporters and I am sure that they support us totally, if you had been at the launch Sunday you would have felt the passion from everyone, councillors alike to return Wimbledon back to Plough Lane and if this fails to happen then we start up another Wimbledon side from the bottom again
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 14:27:14 (PST)
Picking up on something Ralph said: Just supposing CK turns down PL, and somehow still manages to move the club to MK, and Merton Council sought another League tennant, for arguments sake - Brentford - how would people feel? Would it be fair enough as the green light had been given for such moves? Would people be totally against supporting the new club moving in? I would be in the latter camp as I would feel ashamed of supporting a club formed in that way, knowing it's fans would have been put through what we have. Just thought it could be an interesting discussion point.
Edinburgh Don
- Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 13:39:30 (PST)
Agree with TW. How can CK possibly plead to anyone that to go home is impossible - his main argument has just gone up in smoke. There is a long way to go before the first bricks are even laid at PL, but surely now, he hasn't a prayer of pushing MK through. If he refuses to take up Merton's offer, the football authorities would be asking why. Early days but at last the git appears to be in a corner even he will find difficult to wriggle out from.
Edinburgh Don
- Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 13:30:19 (PST)
Ralph, what are you on? Surely, with the League meeting to-morrow, the timing is perfect. How can CK promote moving to MK when Merton Council are reported to being committed to building a stadium in the "conuberent" of Wimbledon Football Club? His bias and falsehoods will be opened up very clearly. The truth that it really is franchising in disguise will be exposed. If Merton can carry through this idea then WFC can no longer claim that there is no place for the club in the borough.
TW
- Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 10:48:42 (PST)
Ralph, what a blinkered life you lead, Merton Council have said all along that they would support Wimbledon FC to help find a home in Merton, were you not at the launch on Sunday?
Mr Koppell ( me being polite) has always stated that "Merton are doing nothing to help, if they find somewhere we would look at it, there is no where" well Merton have thrown their hat well and truely into the ring and it is up to koppell to start talking and stop telling his lies, Franchising!! Merton have done everything possible, the fans have done everything possible so far, the OWFF have come up against a brick wall, now the Dons Trust have joined the debate, Members of Parliament, members of the Football League, the media, everyone sees Koppell for what he is and if he is committed, along with his ever decreasing band to killing my club and Wimbledon as we know it go to the wall then unfortunately we will again have to start at the bottom of the pyramid and work our way up with a LOCAL team with LOCAL supporters, that to me is not franchising
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 09:46:09 (PST)
i think theres a pinch of lying in that comment
matt
- Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 09:42:22 (PST)
Ralph - I think you'll find they want a Wimbledon based team to play there. All they'll need is a group of fans with no team to support, lots of money to invest in them, and a 'can-do' attitude. Hmmmm. Wonder where they'll find all that then?
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 09:36:04 (PST)
Hello everybody peeps... I told you so, you all said I didn't know what I was talking about but finally Merton Council have done it. There are going to build on PL regardless and if WFC don't want it then they will lease it to someone else. Does that mean then they are supporting the franchising of football? Because if it ain't the Dons, then it will be someone else and the people of Merton can support them as 'their team'. I'm sorry but isn't that what MK is all about, the same thing Judge Dreed and Genie Saunders have been slaughtering CK over? How unbelievably hypocritical. Yes I know they are going to offer to us first, but really that ain't going to happen. So Martin D, Brighton Womble, Widdly Don and the rest are you going to follow the new franchised team at PL?
Ralph Malph
- Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 08:53:17 (PST)
Wibbly nice to meet you on Sunday. I cant really see Mark letting that picture out of his sight I heard a rumour that Jo has been kicked out to the spare room so Mark can look longingly into Mr S's eyes of an evening :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 08:11:27 (PST)
BBC Sport online is running the story re Merton Council Building the new Plough Lane, things are at long last starting to look up and there is light at the end of the tunnel I can see Tall Mark's picture of Wembley hanging in the new Plough Lane stadium boardroom now
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, February 13, 2002 at 07:57:23 (PST)
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