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ED - Didn't hear the Radio 5 bit as I was at the trust launch. But this is the whole thing about franchising once it happens once it will happen everywhere. I wonder what Man U fans who live in Manchester think of their fellow fan suggesting that a move down south could be a good idea? We joke about Man U fans not being from Manchester but we have seen in the past the only man u fans that ever sang at Selhurst were those that had bought their tickets from old trafford.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, February 12, 2002 at 10:10:54 (PST)
The 18 players out of contract are beleived to include the following: - Roberts, Feuer, Ainsworth, Blackwell, Thomas, Selley, Robinson, Jupp, Kimble. I think the remaining are young reserve players.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, February 12, 2002 at 03:56:48 (PST)
Just a quick question (with a long answer!) I keep hearing of the 18 players out of contract at the end of this season, but who are they? Any answers gratfully received.
Jon Sylge
- Tuesday, February 12, 2002 at 02:04:10 (PST)
Did anyone else hear the bloke on Radio 5 Live last night, going on about Man Utd and the fact that (preictably) most of the crowd were MU supporters at Charlton? Didn't catch all of it, but I think he said "Never mind WFC moving to MK to play in front of 40,000, how about MUFC move to London to play in front of 100,000". When are people going to realise that this isn't just about "poorly supported, homeless, poor little Wimbledon" this is about stopping ALL of football being ruined by the suited bastards! If WFCLtd get away with this, it will show that the FL has no legitimate rulebook or authority over it's members and other morally-bankrupt club chairman will be able to do just about whatever they want. I know the guy was just being flippant and cocky and a 'London Red' can't really be expected to understand the community side of football or the first thing about supporting your local team, but while most decent football folk are on our side, many don't appreciate just what is at stake here.
Edinburgh Don
- Monday, February 11, 2002 at 04:52:58 (PST)
The Real Hash, the last time we won 3 on the spin was actually after the seven deadly wins. It was against Forest, Blackburn and Sunderland (I think) following a few draws immediately after the 7 wins in late 96.
Martin D (Corrections department (BW posts a speciality))
- Monday, February 11, 2002 at 04:29:15 (PST)
Jools - no, all prizes were claimed. John - YES, I have one - email me.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Sunday, February 10, 2002 at 16:27:30 (PST)
Can anyone tell me if there were any prizes left over after the Dons Trust raffle? I bought a bunch of tickets but had to leave halfway through so don't know if I won anything or not....
Jools
- Sunday, February 10, 2002 at 15:48:54 (PST)
can anyone help me to obtain the following match programme for
my collection........
1998/99 season - Wimbledon v Manchester united (played at selhurst
park in April 1999)
JOHN (jocfd@unison.ie)
ireland - Sunday, February 10, 2002 at 14:30:46 (PST)
Dear Dons
Many thanks for you help and e-mails. I will be
watching the progress of the Dons Trust with interest.
Good luck with the launch and here's hoping the Dons
find a home!
Mitch
Cllr Paul Mitchell (pdemitchell@yahoo.com)
Cardiff, - Sunday, February 10, 2002 at 09:32:07 (PST)
...and Safeway opened their 1st supermarket in Wimbledon in the 60's.....Community, community, community
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Sunday, February 10, 2002 at 05:46:41 (PST)
Personally, it just seems to show that they are aware of the marketing and PR opportunities in football. It has no bearing on PL, IMO. That's a whole different kettle of fish, though if I was them I'd consider the consequences of a sale to any other party than peep's connected with WFC (not ltd.). No threats, just an honest analysis of things as they stand.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Sunday, February 10, 2002 at 05:45:08 (PST)
the last time we won 3 on the trott was the last three of the famous seven
The Real Hash
- Saturday, February 09, 2002 at 16:14:37 (PST)
regarding edward longshanks comment-since when have safeways bin scotish, is this in your own little world where you can fly and everything is made of chocolate?!? they're american, and they ain't gonna sell plough lane cos they wanna build a shop there that if your lucky sells haggis :)
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I don't think the Safeway sponsorship of Scotland's teams has any sort of bearing on whether or not they need to sell PL. There seems to be (I may be wrong) more Safeways up here than the other big chains, so this is just good publicity for them. It would be nice to think they are showing readiness to get into football and build the "Safeway Stadium @ Plough Lane" to raise their profile down south.
Edinburgh Don
- Friday, February 08, 2002 at 09:03:17 (PST)
Hey BW you seem to have quite a fan club here :) Nice to see your comments in here and you are always welcome to put your views over. Can I ask what your comments on Safeways sponsorship deal with the SFA is as no one else has made a comment on it does it show they want to get rid of plough lane quickly or they are football freindly?
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, February 08, 2002 at 08:14:36 (PST)
Brighton Womble is back, Brighton Womble is back woohhhhh woohhhhhh Brighton Womble is back, Brighton Womble is back oh yeh!!!
Wibbly Don
- Friday, February 08, 2002 at 08:04:47 (PST)
You smell of poo.
Brighton Womble
Intellectual explosion, - Friday, February 08, 2002 at 05:35:27 (PST)
...that is until Koppel et al leave.....
Brighton Womble
corrections dep't, - Friday, February 08, 2002 at 05:34:37 (PST)
Concerned of SW20, "for OWFF read WISA", well it was an open election and nearly 1500 Dons are members. As for WISA sitting down with CK and all concerned parties, the point is we did that for quite some time and it got us precisely nowhere. In the end it resulted in CocKpull throwing toys out of the pram. Trouble is, and it's no fault of yours AFIAC, the WFC Ltd continue to insist that they prefer a local solution, but the fact of the matter is they WANT MK, and that's that. Full stop, no more, simple. There is no point in sitting down with WFC Ltd. until Koppel - and probably - the Nogs as well. Oh, and Ralph Malph, I don't think you actually know what you're talking about, do you?
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Friday, February 08, 2002 at 05:30:37 (PST)
Hey, Brighton, I've missed you darling! What can we argue about today? ;-)
Edinburgh Don
- Friday, February 08, 2002 at 05:22:11 (PST)
Just flicked through the guestbook so to speak and read the comments of 'Ralph Malph'. Ralf the repeater more like. Do you realise how many times most of us have heard what you say? 1. Do your research about stadiums, naming rights etc. 2. Get your head out of your arse/the clouds or wherever it's firmly planted. Most of us like to deal in solutions to problems, but there are always people like you who will sit on the sidelines sniping. I suggest a spell on Prozac to make things seem a little better in your world
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
Nice to see you all again ;-), - Friday, February 08, 2002 at 05:12:34 (PST)
Right i've done it as well now just read Martin D's post as "Sunday's lunch event is completely FREE" :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Friday, February 08, 2002 at 04:39:54 (PST)
South London, Sunday's launch event is completely FREE to get in to. The Theatre are not charging us a penny, just as they didn't back in the summer for the meeting that Koppel didn't turn up at. It is very kind and community spirited of them. I will endeavour to see a show there some time. Whilst the event is free to attend (and the more the merrier) it is hoped that as many people as possible will join the Trust if they want to try and save THEIR football club from the appalling mess it is in now. Various other fund-raising activities will be going on there as well, have you photo taken with the FA Cup for instance. Please come along, what have you got to lose?
Martin D
- Friday, February 08, 2002 at 02:06:53 (PST)
Just look who starts the insults? I know, don't boycott the club merchandise etc. Let the £10 profit from the sale of a club shirt go straight to Mr.Koppel's expensive lawyers in his pathetic and vain quest for Milton Keynes. Keep on going just like nothing is wrong. Support the MK Dons!
Martin D
- Friday, February 08, 2002 at 02:01:39 (PST)
Dangermouse - Yes. It is imperative you follow the boycott like the sheep that you are.
Dangerfield
- Friday, February 08, 2002 at 01:37:37 (PST)
on sunday,is it 'free to get in'...but only if you pay there and then for membership?..
SoUth-LOnDon
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 13:12:22 (PST)
Dangermouse - yes, the boycott is still on - against all merchandise, sponsorship, programmes etc. Remember it's not only against the club - but against official sponsors like maximuscle (who have one of their four outlets in Milton Keynes). If you want your kid to wear something to broadcast the dons - try either WISA merchandise ('Time we had a home game') or Dons Trust merchandise (Logo t-shirts).
Don't waste your hard-earned money on a team which you may no longer want to support in 8 months. Help fund one of the many groups who are trying to keep the club where it belongs.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 10:41:50 (PST)
Ralph, where did I say that lower league football is rubbish. There is a difference in technical standards but that doesn't always alter the entertainment value. I speak as someone who has watched all levels so I never put clubs down only evaluate their true strengths.
TW
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 09:41:42 (PST)
Are safeway as Scottish company? I'm sure there is one of those st andrews cross type things in their logo? If they are thebn the will be tight as hell and will never sell anything on the cheap.
Edward Longshanks
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 08:28:27 (PST)
Is the boycott of merchandise still on? Only reason I ask I wouldn't mind getting my nephew a yellow top, so he can wear a dons shirt across the border in jockville. I want him to spread the word of all things womble and shove his Celtic top up his old man's arse!!!!!
Dangermouse
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 08:03:41 (PST)
Is this a good or bad thing? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/scotland/newsid_1807000/1807016.stm
- He was speaking as the SFA announced it had signed a £5.1m sponsorship
deal with the Safeway supermarket chain. Safeway will become the
Scottish national team's official sponsor until 2006. The deal
also covers the under-21, under-17, under-18 and under-19 sides
as well as the Scottish women's team. Does this mean that Safeways
will want to sell the plough lane site as quick as possible or
that they are prepared to get involved with football?
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 07:39:01 (PST)
If you're really all missing him so much, I will try to persuade the one and only Brighton Womble to make an appearance on this illustrious GB.
Martin D
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 07:19:59 (PST)
I wont be at the "fun fair" on Saturday so it will be one less face in the crowd*, Will be at the Trust Launch on sunday if you are going. *(Sorry about the pun.)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 07:06:44 (PST)
Indeed where is Brighton Womble? and why has he not challenged Ralphie-boy? He's not one in the same person is he? Paul, will you down at the home of all thong pikey on Saturday?
Face
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 06:57:15 (PST)
If you're really all missing him so much, I will try to persuade the one and only Brighton Womble to make an appearance on this illustrious GB.
Martin D
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 07:19:59 (PST)
I wont be at the "fun fair" on Saturday so it will be one less face in the crowd*, Will be at the Trust Launch on sunday if you are going. *(Sorry about the pun.)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 07:06:44 (PST)
Indeed where is Brighton Womble? and why has he not challenged Ralphie-boy? He's not one in the same person is he? Paul, will you down at the home of all thong pikey on Saturday?
Face
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 06:57:15 (PST)
Where's Brighton Womble gone? He'd have a few things to say to you, Ralph! Sounds like a good game you went to - you see, I never said it couldn't be entertaining! I used to be pretty pessimistic about our prospects too, but now it is obvious people have/did/do/will want to invest in WFC and their new stadium - but WFC Ltd are determined to push through MK, so they claim no-one is interested. Think about the publicity that will be generated for investors if the club is returned home, with their name over the front door. PL isn't the only option, and not all we would settle for - but come on, wouldn't it be brilliant? If WFC had put any effort into finding a home, and had worked with WISA, Roger Casale and Merton council, we could have been set up ages ago.
Edinburgh Don
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 05:26:58 (PST)
Ooops... silly me, now I feel a bit daft, Al. ;o)
Ralph Malph
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 05:22:02 (PST)
I think SOW was joking Ralph....
Al
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 05:16:57 (PST)
Oh... you are such a tough man SOW's (ttp) does your mum know you are wasting her money during peak times?
Paul, I have emailed the aforementioned counciller, and told him how much of a lying, theiveing, kiniving little scroat Mr Sam Hammam really is. I never new he fathered so many ugly babies as he has in the Ninnian Park area of Cardiff. After all he they are now his children, while we have all been put in to foster homes, because our father decided to turn us in to gypo's and then bogged off over the border. Sadly too many have forgoten
Ralph Malph
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 04:57:00 (PST)
You can f**k off as well Raymond! ;o)
Same old Wombles (Taking the piss)
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 04:20:36 (PST)
Hi All - Just a couple of points Ralph says he has already joined the Dons trust which is nice to see I think at last count it was over 300 people even before it has officially launched so well done to all involved. Jools - No worries if we had a formatted version of it I would have done it but i'm sure that people can battle through it as it's a good read. Did anyone else drop an e-mail to the Cardiff councilor (he is real) I know people are very busy at the moment but it would be nice if people could bring over people up to speed on the history of "SAM". Anyway it good to see the guestbook in strong voice as ever and we havent dropped down to the level of personal abuse so thanks everyone.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 03:30:33 (PST)
Ralph, rather then saying how much you like us and how much we make you laugh, get your head out of that Sun comic and do something to help. Plough Lane is NOT the only option, but it is a very good option that could work. The club have NOT looked at it. IF you really care about the Dons make sure you (and your friends and family) attend the launch of the Dons Trust on Sunday and as many of you as possible need to join. £25 is not much more than the cost of a match ticket and not much to help guarrantee the future of YOUR football club. BTW We also desperately need people to help, especially in the Morden area.
Martin D
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 02:46:08 (PST)
Ralp, thank you for your sentiments, please clarify WISA mentality, I am a member of WISA, the Dons Trust and a Wimbledon Season ticket holder, but whatever or whoever I belong to does not deflect from my abitions to see my team play back at Plough Lane again, yes I did used to see them play there before, Darius!! come on you are now scraping the barrell but I do see where you are comimg from, but throughout all my canvassing, leafletting and selling the Y&B the feedback has been very positive and im sure that there are more people like me who have friends and familly that would come to Plough Lane but have no intention of going to Shithurst, the travellers site will remain in the same vicinity but moved slightly so call for the NIMBY's to shout default albeit I am sure that they will, come on Ralph there has got to be some positives that we can all cling to even YOU must see that and as for Plough Lane being the only alternative it is not, but this is where all the efforts are being focussed at the moment, as you seem to like writing in the negetive why do you not start writing to the FL, FA and all the chairman within the FL, the media and anyone else that you can think of to denounce Koppells proposals to relocate to MK
Wibbly Don
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 02:19:59 (PST)
I'm so sorry, that i have been misinformed and i dont conform to the current WISA mentality. However, I feel that this entire back to PL issue is deflecting from findind a solution for getting away from MK. In essance I'm being told it is PL or nothing. There can be no other solution if it's not PL then? Unfortunately I beleive that PL is too expansive too difficult and certainly do not believe Genie Saunders and Judge Dredd. Mr Fox as for your suggestions, they can work but not for us. We have no assessts on which to borrow money, and sorry namimg rights do not bring enough money in. As for Safeway's they have a responsibility to shareholders and will not sell the land cheap, and before the gypo's are housed elsewhere MC have to find somewhere and appease the NIMBY's there. My point is the club is rapidly running out of time, and PL is 5 years away minimum. Martin - I like you you make me laugh - just because I have asked a few questions and raised a few points that don't conform, i am a CK lakkie or i work for the club or live near MK. Sadly, i wish i did work in football, and for the record i live in Morden. As for Guildford wouldn't give it the time of day it's full of cockney wanna-be's and Chelsea scum. Wibbly - i like you too - but last week a poll in the Sun said Darius was going to win Pop Idol!!!!!!!! Where is he know? My point is people give throw away answers when polled. I know it is the best means of finding out what people think, but we should rely on them too much. As for TW & ED - no I haven't seen any Scottish footbal recently, but I did in November at Central Park. That's the home of Cowdenbeath, they got beaten, there was 500-600 there and there was crowd trouble between about 60 blokes!!!! And you say lower league football is rubbish!!!!!!
Ralph Malph
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 01:38:15 (PST)
Sorry about the formatting Paul. A mate sent it to me, apparently its on the WISA site.
Jools
- Thursday, February 07, 2002 at 01:27:59 (PST)
Ralph: so we would be in the same situation as at Selhurst, so what would qwe be in at Milton Keynes hten. Might have escaped your attention but Cockpull and his frends will not be buildign the stadium there it will be the mysterious copnsortium. So we rent a stadium form them? there aint nothing in this life for free. Try these on for financing: corporate sponsorship, Stadium naming rights, borrowing (yes novel idea investing in the club) The answer is there staring us in theface and it isnt Milton Keynes. I note you have answered my points about WISA and OWFF either and the plans hmm?
sean fox
- Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 14:10:24 (PST)
Ralph - this is a little beside the point, but as TW says - you picked a couple of Scottish Cup results. I would ask have you actually seen any Scottish football apart from the old firm lately? It's of (technically), a poor standard, mainly because only the SPL is professional - even Scot Div1 is semi-pro - that's not to say it can't be entertaining btw. Yes, the performance of Berwick was excellent - but they were swept aside in the replay. How many times do you see that in cup football? If you had that game over 5 matches, Rangers would be pushing a 20+ goal difference - but on one night, on a boggy pitch anything, even the greatest upset can happen. As a Dons fan who would of course remember our victory at Burnley and a draw at Leeds as a non-league side, you would know that. That is what makes the game so exciting and unpredictable, and why we love it so, and why it's worth fighting for. Has it not occurred to you that if our move goes ahead, there will be a domino effect with small clubs being merged, moved or swallowed up all over the shop. These great cup upsets would become a distant memory.
Edinburgh Don
- Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 13:13:34 (PST)
OOOOPPPS!!! so good I said it twice
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 12:59:15 (PST)
Paul, well done on the Dons Trust logo great effect, nice to see the guestbook livening up again
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 12:58:05 (PST)
Paul, well done on the Dons Trust logo great effect, nice to see the guestbook livening up again
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 12:57:54 (PST)
Ralph, when Edinburgh Don tells you about the standard of football up there you'd better believe him. All in all most Conference teams would hold up in the Scottish First Division. You picked on a couple of games were the result was distorted. Livingstone are third in the prem. div. but they would be lucky to beat any English First Division side. To prove the point would you bet on any team other than Celtic/Rangers to win the title. (As for this season any against Celtic)?
TW
- Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 09:41:58 (PST)
Ralph, you either a) live in or near MK or b) are employed by the club. Nothing else would explain your nonsense.
You agree Chelsea's crowds have expanded, yet you seem to think all these people were ALWAYS Chelsea fans like they're some sort of distinct race. It is not a matter of stealing THEIR fans, it's a question of giving a large and rich population ANOTHER and more local choice of league team to watch. As for the "same thing" happening in MK, who cares? The population in MK is MUCH smaller. I don't much care if THEY can support a league team or not. The fact that there are a lot of United and Liverpool "fans" in SW London and Surrey is very interesting. They are NOT Mancs and Scousers. They've probably never even been to Old Trafford or Anfield. They just like good football, famous teams and want to latch on to success. How do you know they WOULDN'T come to watch a more local league team if they are encouraged to? Just look at Charlton's success in attracting support from all over Kent, a region also famous for its United and Liverpool support. As for stadium permission on PL, it already has it as football was played there in a public arena until 1997. The council has said that new planning permission would NOT be required. As for nothing to do in Yorkshire, I suppose there's simply LOADS to do in Guildford isn't there?
Martin D
- Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 09:31:15 (PST)
Ralph, sorry mate, Safeway applied for superstore not a metro, nit picking I know but 2 very different applications required, finally FACT the independant poll highlighted that 10% within the surrounding area would come to see the Dons back in Plough Lane, equating to 18k fans as I have previously stated I am sure that we would not get a full house every week but you must admit Shithurst is a god awful place to visit I class myself as a loyal supporter, missing very few games home or away and I have to force myself now and again so what chance do you have with the floating supporter
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 09:28:31 (PST)
Ralph, how come that it is everyone else that is missing the point and not you, over the past few days various people have put forward some very positive suggestions as to how a stadium could be sponsered, I certainly do not intend to repeat or add to them, I find your negativity is equaled only by Koppell and his attitude against a return to Plough Lane, it is also eveident that you have not been invoved in any meetings with Merton Council, Gene Saunders and Andrew Judge have been outstanding in this campaign and you are right about one thing though, if we do return to Plough Lane I will gladly canvess for them rather than put people down who are fighting for our club why do you not start asking questions of Koppell especially the one where WISA put on a plate an interested party and Koppell had neither the intellegence or the courtesy to speak with them and as Hash quite rightly highlighted look where they are now spending £220 million on another development
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 09:19:36 (PST)
Real Hash - sort yourself out a £2.8m grant is not going to suffice and why would they allow a Safeway Metro to be part of a Stadium when it has been refused 3 times before. And if Leeds and Leicester are having trouble naming their stadiums what hope have we got with the current profile. Stoke only received £1m for 10 years and Wigan & Bolton have the sports companies with more than a passing interest in the boards of directors. Another problem is actually acquiring the flaming Club.
Ralph Malph
- Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 08:53:22 (PST)
Dear itmustbedons
I am a councillor in Riverside - a ward near to Sam's
latest purchase. He is pushing the council to give him 30-70 acres of retail land to fund the new stadium. He wants to build houses on the old site. He wants the council to flatten an Athletic Stadium and he will build and run a new one on green belt land (ie privatising this council facility). Trouble is some Bluebirds fans and some councillors don't know all the facts of what happened to the Dons. Sam, according to the BBC Wales (Dragons Eye program a week thursday if any fan can see it it may be worth your while) is said to be encouraging fans to stand against any councillor who voices any doubts about the whole scheme (like yours truly).
I've had a few fans tell me I am doing down the Club by being cautious with public money. I have tried to explain the land he wants is worth 30-40M, assets the taxpayers of Cardiff OWN and I am reponsible for - but I just get blank looks and accusations that I am anti-stadium or anti-bluebirds which I am NOT! I asked one fan to lend me his house keys and I can give his house to Sam - he told me to go forth naturally - so what is the difference I asked? He could not see the point so you see I am between a rock and a hard place. The retail devt could wipe out all the shops in my ward and the increased parking pressure do in the people who live by the ground (luckily 99.99% of bluebirds fans are a credit despite the hype about the Leeds match).
I need some background so that both councillors and fans can go into this deal with all the facts - thanks!
Mitch pdemitchell@yahoo.com
Cllr PDE Mitchell (pdemitchell@yahoo.com)
Caridff, - Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 08:38:27 (PST)
read my message again...I tell u how the project can be financed
The Real Hash
- Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 08:27:44 (PST)
Oh dear you all seem to be missing the point. For one CK is far from my mate, quite the opposite, but the point is too many people need to take a step back and have a reality check. Hash in no way were there nearly 18k dons fans versus Villa. There was nearly 4k from AVFC as they were Cup final bound, again community gave out loads of freebies to kids in Chealsea and Manc tops. In reality there were only about 10-12k there who you couls argue to be Dons fans. But where are they now after relegation ST and membership halved because those people were only interested in seeing Premier League and it was cheap to come. Again you are talking millions before we even kick a ball at PL, it just won't happen unless we have a sugar daddy out there. If there is one great, my £25 should be on it's way to the Dons Trust ask we speak, so don't think for one moment I'm against PL. Ijust don't think it will ever be possible. No matter what you say the Club was raped and pillaged by our little Welsh friend and all of this is down to him, no one else and don't kid yourself that Merton Council actually care. To them it is about votes and that is what annoys me more than anything. They have yet to say how and demonstrate how this project can be financed and worked. When they do I will gladly eat humble pie.
Ralph Malph
- Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 07:43:14 (PST)
ralph: against Villa the crowd was close to 20k and we had about 18k there, so there u go, we do have a potential support base of 18k. The ICM poll showed that 10% of Mertons residents would regularly go and see Wimbledon play, that means 18k without including those like myself who live in Kingston, Sutton, Wandsworth etc which could put it up to 28k ish. Now I am not saying for one moment that we will get 28k....what I am saying is that to expect an average of 15(ish) k wimbledon fans in the first division is not out of the question. The lure of a new stadium and we will be back to being their local club, so to say that anyone who believes we will get 18k is liing on cloud cuckoo land is koppel spin. Oh and as for the funding of the stadium? Well, there are many ways. Firstly, the government can provide £2.8 million in grants/loans, secondly we can offer Safeway some kind of stand sponsorship (we could call one end The Safeway End), Safeway can be given a metro safeway under one of the stands, we could give lifetime naming rights to a company (as Bolton, Huddersfield and Wigan have done), the dons trust could raise money and there are partners who are willing to invest. WISA in fact found a partner who was interested in building a stadium in S London but ur mate Charlie didnt follow it up. Guess what that potential partner is doing now? u guessed it, spending £220 million on the Millenium Dome Stadium. Also, there is a hotel chain who is interested in building a stadium there and leasing it to us. This will not be the same as the current situation. That shows what a clear lack of understanding u have. For a start, a lease is not the same as a rent. Also, many clubs do that (very few actually own the stadium 100*) and most importantly, the stadium will be in our home.
The Real Hash
- Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 06:46:51 (PST)
God that's heavy on the eye's. Jools if you e-mail it to me in it's layed out format I will try and put some formating to it.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 04:29:47 (PST)
The Legend of the Sword of Truth.
Once upon a time in a land called London,
There was a golden castle called Plough Lane,
A place where a merry band of brothers lived,
Honorable, brave, and free from shame.
They spent their time engaged in noble sport,
Kicking an inflated udder around,
To the delight of the King’s Borough of Merton
For whom it was sacred ground.
‘Till one day an evil wizard,
Turned their leading Lord into a beast.
The beast ran off with all their treasure,
And took up camp in a Palace out East.
The brave band of brothers fretted,
And filled their days with endless grief,
Cast into the wilderness,
On the freezing climes of Thorn ton Heath.
The beast promised he would take them home,
And for a while their anger was less bold,
But in the beast, the evil was strong,
He sold their home, for some bags of gold.
The heroes rose against their beastly leader,
Who was so upset by their grumbling.
He grew so angry his eyebrows blackened,
He tried to exile our brave band, all the way to Dublin.
With every ounce of spirit and guile,
They fought against this fate,
Until one day the beast was beaten,
And started planning his escape.
He ran away to the Land of the Dragons,
With the brothers money in his pocket,
Telling them he would love them forever,
And carry their picture in his locket.
Princes sailed from Norway,
Traveling on the North Wind blow,
Across the bleak bedeviled waters
And the icy ocean’s flow.
They met the homeless waistrels,
And offered them a mountain of hope.
The hope became a hill, then a hole,
Then washed away like soap.
“We’ll introduce you to our friend”,
The Viking Lord then said.
“You’ll recognise him by his eyes,
How they swivel in his head.”
And lo it was written, they met the man,
In his armour of deepest black.
They listened to all the lies spun,
By the evil bog-eyed twat.
The fishermen’s friend talked
About the return to the promised land.
Spinning myths while he conspired,
To exile them, where the concrete cows do stand.
The battle-hardened brothers,
Quickly wisened to his lies.
And set about confronting him,
The devil with spinning eyes.
Friends from every hill and dale,
Came to fight against the creed,
Of the fishermen, and bog-eyed monster,
And their dreams of wealth and greed.
Every person in Albion cursed,
The fishermen’s evil schemes,
And set about rebuilding,
The poor brother’s fading dreams.
When all seemed lost,
The legend does recall,
How the evil bog-eyed monster,
Finally did fall.
He took his poison chalice,
And offered it to Eight princes,
Whose laughter could clearly be heard,
Throughout all of the provinces.
Knowing he was going to lose,
He started spinning bigger lies.
He hypnotised the weak,
With his voodoo spinning eyes.
But the strong stayed strong,
And met his words with steel, and with fire.
The true of heart, legend always says,
Will always beat the liar.
So the liar lied until his mouth was raw,
And people just stopped listening,
And the band of brothers found a sword,
Long, and strong, and glistening.
The legend of the sword of truth,
Turned out to be no myth,
It was taken from the Wandle’s water,
Polish’d by the hands of ancient silversmiths.
The brothers took the sword,
And went to find their enemy,
Who was smashing his own garden,
Near the bridge at olde Putney.
One brother held the devil,
While another raised the silver arm.
While the devils eyes stopped spinning,
Through the power of the charm.
“My eyes have stopped swivelling
The curse must have been broken,
I cannot lie anymore,
The evil spell has stopped working.
“So lend me your hands, noble, friends
And help me mend my garden,
And I’ll tell you how I’ll take you back
To your own home in Merton.”
And soon the first cow’s udder,
Was kicked back in Plough Lane,
Where thousands of happy brothers,
Celebrated being home again.
And the moral of the story,
Of this there is no doubt,
Never back a liar,
Because the truth always wins out!!
Jools (Earlsfield)
- Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 03:58:23 (PST)
ED - I feel you are doing a great dis-service to the lower leagues in Scotland. In recent weeks Berwick Rangers took the mightof Rangers to a replay and Hamilton were defeated 4-0 in the last 7 minutes against Dundee United. The difference all boils down to money. Can someone please explain how a stadium at PL will be funded under WISA and MC's plans. NO ONE HAS YET BOTHERED TO EXPLAIN HOW THIS CAN HAPPEN. I read Fulham's redevelopment is costing in excess of £40m, where the hell do we get that from? As for the 18k who may come, saying yes is a throw away answer when asked such a question. What happened to the 18k that were at SP in our relegation season? Where are they now? It is no different. As for this Hotel group, we would be back in an identical situation as SP being a tennant and not gaining full commercial benefit. And if you beleive we would get a regular 18k then you live in cloud cuckoo land. On the Club's biggest day in recent times we couldn't even fill SP against Villa, so where are these 18k fans?
Ralph Malph
- Wednesday, February 06, 2002 at 01:06:22 (PST)
It's so obvious that if MK get our club, the people there will only turn out for games against the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd etc - and even then, they will be supporting those teams. Who would be turning up for games against, say, Grimsby or Walsall in midweek? A few away fans and that would be it. The whole plan for success rests upon returning to the Premiership, and just because you've got a flash new ground, there's no guarantee of that (just ask Stoke). What happens if they don't get back to the prem? With no loyal fan base (and Dons fans are loyal if nothing else) they will sink. Livi are the first franchised club in Britain - just because they appear to have got it right, doesn't mean it will work elsewhere. The Scottish lower divisions are also of a much poorer standard than in England, so to be honest, Livi didn't have a-lot to compete with: Kingstonian could probably hold a respectable Scottish first division posistion.
Edinburgh Don
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 14:44:31 (PST)
As a member of the OWFF Coucnil I can tell you what Gene Saunders Said exactly at the meeting. Basically that he would not at this point invite Koppel to meet with the conmsortia they were developing. His reasoning was simple Koppel has tried to screw over merton, he lied at OWFF, he lied to WISA. Once there was a package it will be discussed with Koppel and his cronies but baring in mind that Koppel says he has adsvoce buildign at P.L. will never happen why shoud he be interested. Dont believe the lies dont believe the spin, show me any work he has done on Plough LAne.When challenged he was unable to provide any substantive evidence of examining other options in South West London. Relying isntead on saying "have you got all afternoon?" So Mr Koppel in answer since I know you have nothing better to do with your life than read guestbooks and attempt to murder Wimbledon the answer is yes. Name the place name the time ,bring the evidence and OWFF. WISA, The Trust and Merton will be there. Oh and for the record OWFF was set up by the CLub all season ticket holders and members were entitled to join and vote for the candidates. They happened to elect a numebr of WISA members including myself democratically, thats more than can be said about the clowns like Koppel I have the pleasure to meet!
sean fox
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 13:17:05 (PST)
Concerned of SW20 - sounds like you've been reading the club propaganda about WISA not talking. CK no more wants to sit down with us than George Bush would let his daughter marry Osama Bin Laden. That is what people have to recognise. There is no will for WFC under the regime of Rokke and Koppel to go back home to Wimbledon. All their excuses are dissembling about that fact. Once you understand their underlying objectives, everything else is about as much use as playing swivel eyes on the wing against the Gills on Saturday. As for people wanting the Dons back home, you bet your life they do. I have talked to a lot of local residents and businesses about it and everything I hear backs up the ICM poll. Bring the Dons back home and you would have a genuine business proposition on your hands, not some pie in the sky dream about MK.
Nige (nigehiggs@yahoo.co.uk)
also SW20, - Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 12:34:15 (PST)
Ralph - i think you need to check your figures a bit re: the ICM poll. Firstly, 10% of Merton (180,000) or 6% of catchment area (4,000,000) said they would go to PL regularly - I.e. ST holders. I'm not saying 240k people will watch us at PL - but filling the stadium is not going to be a problem. Regarding who do they support 7% - Chelsea, 5% Wimbledon, 5% Man Utd, 5% Arsenal, 4% Liverpool. Asked what they thought WFC should do, 83% said we should return to PL.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 12:08:34 (PST)
A Pyramid system even. Can't think what the other thing is, but if it works I'll take that as well!!!
TW
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 11:33:19 (PST)
Just going over recent posts and one thing stands out. We are talking about Wimbledon because, obviously, we all love the team. But the real arguement is: "should an area/town be able to purchase a league position"? The current system is through the pymarid as asked for by the non league clubs themselves. We did the hard way so we shouldn't be the club to instigate the collapse of the merited, customed and practised method. If this goes CK's way then every small club in the country will be in danger. His claim to be "homeless" is nonsense. Wimbledon F.C is a stadium tenant rather than an stadium owner. The same difference between a council tenant and the next door homeowner.
TW
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 11:27:25 (PST)
Having spoken to one of the OWFF (for OWFF read WISA), why did Gene Saunders tell Koppel that he would not be invited to any future meetings regarding PL's development because he was not trusted? Sounds a bit like "I'm taking my ball home..." to me. Why hasn't the mighty WISA actually sat down with ALL concerned (developers, backers, Merton, CK, OWFF (if there's a point), local businesses in Merton, etc.) and actually TALK about this, instead of being pissy and having a high-handed childlike attitude that could hinder us even more. it's quite obvious CK ain't shifting, so for christs sake get a move on before the league change their mind (and I hope to God they don't) and prove that it CAN be done. Oh, and I've heard accusations that "Well we HAVE proved it" well, I, for one, a supporter of a fair few years standing, have seen NOTHING to suggest the planning permission will be accepted (for starters) " But Merton have said...." yeah? they've got the final say, right? Don't bet on it.
Concerned of SW20
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 10:34:12 (PST)
MD & WD, no I dont think i'm missing the point at all. As you rightly point out CFC crowds have doubled in recent times because they are succesful, but do you beleive we could steal them. And if we could change those people surely the same thing can happen in MK. No? MD you have also stated that there are also Mancs and Scouse fans in SW London & Surrey, therefore even less people to watch the Dons each week. As for the council the designation of PL is now housing and small commercial and any subsequent change and stadium being granted permission would be subjest to a public enquiry. As you know from the Safeway's saga this can take years, something the Club obviously doesn't have. And before all the trainee accountants start, have you any idea how much it costs to run a professional football club? Look at the mess Coventry, Derby, Forest, Wednesday are all. As for the SWFC fans again their choice they don't have to go, but what else is there to do in Yorkshire?
Ralph Malph
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 09:33:23 (PST)
Ralph, you are avoiding the facts 10% want us back that is 18k on top of our existing loyal support, I am not tht daft to suggest that we would fill the stadium every week but the polls are a good benchmark, new local hotels are practically full every week just speak with the likes of Travelodge, etc. I have and they have confirmed excellent figures, the stadium could be used for amatuer cup finals etc, football packages could be arranged,along with special dog nights all with overnight accommodation and of course Wimbledon Fortnight, think positivly there are many ways to make money, I think that great praise must go to WISA for producing so much information where Koppell has produced sweet FA on MK as for Merton Council they have been truely supportive in everything that we have done, talking about relocating the travellers site to give more room, visiting new stadiums, having discussions with developers, etc and yes it would be fantastic if they could rubber stamp the stadium and I am sure that they will do everything in their power to assist
Wibbly Don
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 08:48:19 (PST)
You haven't upset me at all. Your posts are nonsense and not based on any facts. You say SW London and Surrey "are Chelsea areas". What rubbish. I bet there are as many Man United and Liverpool "fans" in those areas as there are Chelsea. 10 years ago Chelsea were averaging less than 20,000, now they average 40,000. Where have these NEW fans come from? People will watch a successful local side and for many people Chelsea are (unfortunately) their most local (or easiest to get to) successful side. This MAY change if there was a successful club nearer to them. The recent expansion in Chelsea crowds and their success on the pitch is PROOF of the potential customer base in SW London. As for your terribly inaccurate reading of the recent independent ICM poll, 10% said they would attend games, not "want us". You state 90% "don't" want us. That's rubbish. 86% of residents DO want WFC to return to Merton, they don't have to want to attend games that's all. Nothing like 10% of London's population attend football matches regularly so 10% of Merton would be a massive coup. You seem to know nothing of what Merton Council have done to help the case for Plough Lane. They cannot buy and build a stadium for a private business like WFC any more than they can buy or build you a luxury house. So they're paid by the AELTC to help organise the tennis. So what? The tennis didn't up and leave the Borough 11 years ago did it? All they can do (as they have done) is support a move back to PL and not oppose it as its planning permission HAS NOT changed from stadium use. And you completely miss the point about customers. If football fans are just customers how come almost 20,000 STILL go to Sheff Wed with all the trouble they're in? After all these battles and efforts your lack of any knowledge of the facts of this situation makes me wish you would go off to T&M sooner rather than later.
Martin D
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 08:47:24 (PST)
Martin, I'm sorry if I've upset you but the facts are this:
SW London & Surrey are Chelsea areas, they don't give a monkies about us. WISA's survey say that 10% of metron want us, that means 90% don't, that's quite a lot of people who don't care about us. The 2 weeks in summer you refer top are the only 2 weeks of the year Merton Council care about sport. they have yet to say how exactly they can help us return home. And as for being a customer, I choose as you do to pay our hard earned cash to watch some drivel. But that's our choice, if you are not happy with service from a shop you won't return. Football is no different really if you take of your tinted specs.
As for MK I hope the place gets hit by a satalite, it's horrible. If we move there, I'm off to Tooting and their new stadium every other week.
Ralph Malph
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 08:04:24 (PST)
Ralph, you want logical not emotional arguments, well try these. The club want to move to MK for the "potential" support and the revenues from a retail park and hotel. I say to you that there are more and richer "potential" customers of a local league team in SW London and Surrey than there will ever be in MK. Furthermore, a hotel in Wimbledon will make more money in two weeks in the summer than any hotel in MK will make in a year. Also, remaining in SW London will enable the business to RETAIN its current 5,000-odd loyal customers. And what sort of customers are we talking about? Currently we have several thousand who WILL pay their own good money to watch some terrible games and performances, will these MK customers be as committed? The MK business plan relies on promotion back to the Premiership to attract the casual and opposition fans, and that is by no means guarranteed. If you're in business, I presume you treat your regular customer of many years standing slightly differently to someone who is only using your service/product because it is free/cheaper?
Martin D
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 07:28:59 (PST)
Fosters Top, I am well aware of the history of Rushden and Diamonds. But you miss the point (deliberately?) Their entry into the league, along with Kidderminster, Macclesfield, Cheltenham, Wycombe and Barnet over the last ten years or so illustrate that Dr.Phyllis Starkey is completely WRONG in her opinion that it is HARDER now to enter the league than it was in 1977. If Milton Keynes really wanted a league team then it could have one in under 5 years, especially given this amazing support, and therefore money, that we keep hearing about.
Martin D
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 07:20:05 (PST)
ED - unfortunately you've just answered CK's whole arguement. There is no logical arguement. Football is a business now and no matter how loyal we are it can be taken away from us. You like me choose to support the Dons, it's all emotional. It is no different to Tesco moving operations to a different because they are not making money. They still have a loyal customer base, but they won't stay there just to please them. Supporters are now no more than customers.
Ralph Malph
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 06:42:58 (PST)
Ok might be the wrong time to post this but I today got the following e-mail and said I would post it in the guestbook. Please dont post we havent got our own stadium so why should we bother about a national one. As I am only passing on a request.
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Hi Paul,
I'd like to draw to your attention a new web site that's been designed to
poll the British public on the National Stadium debate. Considering the
importance of the project and the fact that as a sporting nation we now
don't have a national stadium no one connected with the two bids has ever
bothered to ask the public as to which bid they'd prefer.
The site has been built by Hartley Briggs & Ross and is impartial, unbiased
and non-commercial. The only reason we're doing it it to give people a
chance to have their say.
The site, although it asks a Wembly or Birmingham question, then shows how
people are voting on a national level right down to a local post code level,
so you can see how people are voting in LE3 for example.
I hope that you get the chance to see the site, pass on the url and help us
make the issue one of public concern and interest again. Chelsea's fanzine
site "cfcworship.com" has made the first offer of help down south and will
be putting a button on their front page to lobby their fans, others in the
midlands and the north will follow shortly.
I don't speak as a football fan, rather as a tax payer who's perplexed as to
why such a simple undertaking in other countries is the bane of a nation who
have some of the most high profile teams in the world.
http://www.nationalstadium.org
Thanks for your time.
Cheers
Gareth
Director - New Media
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 06:40:29 (PST)
Just found this GB... The Livi/Meadowbank situation is different as well because Meadowbank had dropped about as far down as they could go (or rather had been run down) so Livingston were not really gaining any advantage in placement within the league. If the MKDons comes about, the clubs in D2,D3, conf etc. should be able to complain about unfair entry at a higher division. I know the organiser of the old Meadowbank supporter's club, and am tring to get some quotes from him. Will send them to Y&B if successful.
A Different Edinburgh Don
Edinburgh, - Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 06:39:43 (PST)
It takes approx 25 mins on the train and then a 15 min walk at either end to go from Meadowbank to Almondvale. Under an hour. How long will it take to go from Wimbledon to MK - you won't even reach Euston in under an hour! Fair enough Livi have done better than anyone dared to expect, but Meadowbank had sunk to the bottom of the Scottish League and had literally a couple of hundred supporters - they couldn't sink any lower. Ours is a different situation - it would mean MKFC leapfrogging 2 league divisions and the non-league pyramid. Maybe the chink of light for Koppell is to drive us down to Div 3 so no-one apart from us cares (by selling our bright young talents like Morgan - give the lad a new contract NOW!), but then, why bother? Someone asked for a non-emotional argument against moving - sorry, you can't have one. Part of football is being emotional about your team. If you're not - go and join the prawn sandwich munchers at Old Trafford!
Edinburgh Don
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 06:19:12 (PST)
Can someone please present ONE LOGICAL and not emotional reason the Club should not move?
Ralph Malph
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 06:02:59 (PST)
Ah Mr Drake, Rushden and Diamonds FC, the pinnacle of what can be achieved by a very small club. The club has been in existance for about the same time as Livingston. Sorry, you are obviously mis-informed, R&DFC are and amalgamation of 2 clubs, Rushden Town & Irthlingborough Diamonds. The supporters of both were vermantly opposed to Max Griggs and his ideas. Of course now they don't care because they are successful to a certain degree. So again all the things you are against can be done and are successful elsewhere.
Fosters Top
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 05:59:22 (PST)
Cheers Paul, good to see that there is still some constructive comment on your guestbook, Bubba, I bow down to your superior intellect and comments, now returning to football what about all the speculation re Lional Morgan going to the Spurs for a pittance, surely the evil Charlie is going to far, Lional is an under 19 international who regulary receives high accolades, who is next Jobi, Trond, Damo it is getting out of hand to say the least
Wibbly Don
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 04:17:51 (PST)
Livingston is not a chink of light for Koppel (despite what the woefully uninformed Dr Starkey says to the House) as Scottish Football DOES NOT have the pyramid system for promotion into the professional leagues. Therefore, there was NO OTHER WAY for Scotland's new town (Livingston) to get a Scottish League team than tranferring one from somewhere else. The distance they moved is irrelevant. Rushden & Diamonds have PROVED very recently that a tiny club can be taken into the league given time, money and proper organisation. By the way, all those of you who still work for the club, who do you think Mr.Koppel's subtle little axe will hit next? Think about it.
Martin D
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 04:02:51 (PST)
Wibbly - Two people made a comment about the article and I think I had a right to say something. If someone wants to buy the programme that their choice and I dont want them to be alienaited by comments. wasn't having a go at anyone was just saying it could have been read on the net. Hope thats cleared all that up.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 03:36:54 (PST)
Oh grow up, Wibbly Don
Bubba Sparxx
- Tuesday, February 05, 2002 at 00:27:01 (PST)
Paul, comment was slightly tounge in cheek, no offence, but again slightly dissapointed that you even thought it neccessary to make a point of it, I would have thought it more prudent to comment on the 12 miles almost what we are travelling at the moment to Shithurst, again apologies if I offended
Wibbly Don
- Monday, February 04, 2002 at 14:24:33 (PST)
To be pedantic about the comment that Micheal Briggs made and saying tell him he shouldn't be buying the official programme he could well have read it off the official site or even off WISA where it has been quoted by a number of people and it does say taken from today's matchday programme. He might also buy Yellow & Blue who knows.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, February 04, 2002 at 12:33:02 (PST)
Koppel is a shareholder he confirmed this on Sunday at OWFF when asked. But as per usual in Wimbledon it is hidden behind half a dozen shell comapnies. He owns share iirc in something called Blantyre which in turn owns share in Wimbledon FC holdings ltd.
But equally if I am not mistaken we are paying monies to Farian according to the accounts. So my suspiscion is that he is a paid executive chairman. I think the figure is a couple of hundred thousand? hmm so now we know why we sold David Nielson.
Incidentally also the CLub do not own PGPF it is owned by another compnay called Raynes Park Playing Fields. So the proceeds of the sale would not be put back into the football CLub. Makes an interesting thought of Koppels supposed consideration of an enabling development on the site doesnt it. Praps Gense Saunders summed it up with his reference to what sam did
sean fox (seanphilfox@aol.com)
- Monday, February 04, 2002 at 10:52:18 (PST)
Why is there such a fuss about Livi and Meadowbank? Are people beginning to worry that perhaps CK and his idea may get approval? As we can see it has worked and with great success, for a club that used to attratct the low hundreds now averaging a similar gate to us. And they are almost in Europe! This is bad new people, it may be his one chink of light
Fosters Top
- Monday, February 04, 2002 at 09:43:39 (PST)
Centre of Edinburgh to the centre of Livingstone approx 12 miles along the M8 and Michael Briggs STOP being duped into buying the official programme buy Yellow & Blue FFS
Wibbly Don
- Monday, February 04, 2002 at 09:23:36 (PST)
I think someone should tell Micheal Briggs that Dons fans are boycotting the official match day prog as a gesturec of protest
northernsouler
se25 - home of mud - Monday, February 04, 2002 at 07:47:55 (PST)
"Some six years ago Meadowbank Thistle of Edinburgh from the Scottish Third Division relocated to the new town of Livingston" quote from CK in the match program. Has any one checked that this is a distance of a few miles and takes less than 15 minutes?
Michael Briggs (michael.briggs@william-reed.co.uk)
- Monday, February 04, 2002 at 05:14:51 (PST)
Sounds like a cracking day in York, but why do FansUnited on a saturday when most other teams are playing. Disappointed I didnt go as there were so many fans that did the same for us a couple of months ago.
Joe P
- Sunday, February 03, 2002 at 04:42:44 (PST)
Paul - any reason why you're telling us the Pompey game isn't going to be on the 12th of March :):):):):)
Box 5
You know I'm bored when...., - Saturday, February 02, 2002 at 13:28:16 (PST)
Hello?
Ed Don
- Saturday, February 02, 2002 at 12:48:50 (PST)
I think that the FL might well call a ballot of all members or something like that so they cannot be accused of acting incorrectly again. We all know that the general opinion in is with us, so this could be a good way for all of football to stick two fingers up to Koppell - and wouldn't we enjoy that?! I wouldn't heed his threat to put the club into administration too seriously. After all - he doesn't own the club. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't he an employee of the Nogs, so therefore wouldn't his position be under threat from the drastic cost cutting that administrators would impose? Even if he does do it - Haven't Millwall and Palace come out stronger from an admin period?
Edinburgh Don
- Saturday, February 02, 2002 at 05:09:18 (PST)
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