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Ronan - but doesn't that smack of a strong Chairman and some cohorts controlling the agenda? TBF these "revelations" don't make me feel a whole lot more confident. Aren't the FL now obliged to convene under the recommendations of the arbitration panel and is that what the FA are saying in the detailed judgement?
Nige (nigehiggs@yahoo.co.uk)
Wimbledon, - Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 15:44:10 (PST)
HELP NEEDED SUNDAY. Distribution of posters and leaflets for WISA. Please have one less pint in the Farley. Verbal support is not good enough anymore. Get your hands dirty. Contact Simon Wheeler @ SiWheeler@aol.com and get helping. Also, turn up at the Farley by 12.45 on matchday and offer your help.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 07:31:11 (PST)
HELP NEEDED SUNDAY. Distribution of posters and leaflets for WISA. Please have one less pint in the Farley. Verbal support is not good enough anymore. Get your hands dirty. Contact Simon Wheeler @ SiWheeler@aol.com and get helping. Also, turn up at the Farley by 12.45 on matchday and offer your help.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 07:28:10 (PST)
ED- It's only regional tv but if you have Sky digital I can provide you with a hack that allows you to watch any region so if on sunday afternoon you want to watch Norwich vs Sheffield United you can :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 06:53:43 (PST)
Does anyone know if Sunday's game is only on regional ITV or is it on the ITV Sport Channel? I had been looking forward to a few pints on Sunday lunchtime watching it!
Edinburgh Don
- Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 05:17:35 (PST)
Hi Toni - Wimbledon play in the 1st division we got relegated from the premiership in May 2000. Nice to have you visit the site any questions just ask.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, January 31, 2002 at 03:40:48 (PST)
AFAIK....The Alternate Director already elected by the Divisional Group will fill the role of Richardson until they elect a new one. There is no rush to elect a new one. There doesn't have to be an EGM over MK - and it is unlikely there will be one - CK only got 3 of the necessary 9 signatures (out of 72) when he tried this before. Rememember that CK tried to get MK onto the agenda for a FL meeting, and they refused to even discuss it - they didn't get around to taking a vote - they threw it out automatically. He appealed, and they refused again. I expect the FL will create a panel (similar to the arbitration one) this time to look into the whole MK problem - and hopefully tell CK where he can stick it - for the third time.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 23:24:14 (PST)
Is Wimbledon play in Premier or Fuirst Divisione??? In Italy Pescara is something like Wimbledon, but more shitty. My England cousin support "The Crazy Don" and tell me of your page and also of 'weirdwonderfulworld (jonesy)'. Ciao
Toni Dali
paolo
pescara, italia - Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 15:54:12 (PST)
Does anyone know where I can fin Charles Koppel's garden, I hear he could do with the help of the "ground force" team...no pun intended.
Charlie Dimmock
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 13:03:47 (PST)
Cheers The Real Hash, didn't see that but I just think that it will happen that quick IF their is to be a proper investigation as I am sure the club want (please note I'm not trying to play the part of the club or anything) also with Richardson of Coventry City quitting today it means that a new member of the FL executive will need to be elected. If an EGM is called I cant imagine it being called that quickly. All in my opinon by the way. Anyone else have any views?
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 12:08:05 (PST)
Paul: according to London Tonight, the football league said it will all be finalised by the end of February.
The Real Hash
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 10:17:58 (PST)
i agree hutch - VERY little chance of promotion. We wiull have to of curse play Kimble to say a hearty goodbye to the great bloke - he wont ever get a start again imo.
Joe
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 09:37:05 (PST)
Edinburgh - I would go as far as saying lets play Hawkins, Gier, Leighterwood, Francis, Morgan, Jobi, Aggy and Gray from now until the end of the season - not only will it give them valuable first team experience (remember they are all in their late teens /early twenties - think Hawkins at 22 is the oldest?!) it will give some of the more senior/experienced players a really good rest and hopefully bring everyone back stronger for next season. This might seem a little radical but with so many players out of contract and with our terrible injury record we are going to need all the experience we can get come next season and this would help youngsters gain experience and older players come back fitter than ever!
Hutch
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 07:48:21 (PST)
Hutch - agreed. If it's true that so many players are going to be off at the end of the season we need the younger lads to get a few more matches under their belts so they are ready to take over properly next year.
Edinburgh Don
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 04:47:04 (PST)
I feel very relaxed today, didn't realise how tense I've been for the past week.
I think it's the quiet before the storm though.
Tom C (tom@buzzybee.org)
UK - Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 02:37:27 (PST)
well it seems we have a few more weeks before we know the fate of our club, the fight continues etc and it seems to me that as we are going round in circles there is a certain amount of deja vu on the pitch, a couple of promising looking results followed by another lead lost and more points dropped! TB has been in charge of WFC for 77 league games now, we have won 27. We scored the first goal in 34 league games last season and won 17, we have scored the first goal in 19 of 29 league games this season and won 10, why does it seem to me that that with all the promise and potential in our squad these trends are not changing - worse still they don't look like they are going to change. I think we should play the youngsters from now until the end of the season, lets have Hawkins, Leighterwood, Gier, Macanuff, Morgan, Francis, Agy and Gray getting extended runs in the side and showing us what they are made of. any thoughts?
Hutch
- Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 02:21:52 (PST)
I must admit I thought this would be the outcome. I don't see how the FA could have asked the panel to decide on anything other than, "was the original FL decision taken after due consideration of all parties"? I would argue, yes. As the League constitution is very clear on the matter. Obviously the Club's lawyers have managed to wrangle it to "ifs" and "buts" (like these legal people tend to do when there's a nice sized cheque involved). All in all I think today was the best we could hope for at present. Now we have to be on our guard of weakening by the League. If they stick to the letter of their own rulebook we've won. (Bloody IF again).
TW
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 11:09:53 (PST)
Would have been fantastic to get an outright "No", but this is probably as good as we were going to get. It seems they don't disagree with the League's verdict, but maybe the method by which they reached it wasn't strictly correct procedure. At least they have recognised that the FL has to run it's own affairs and have handed it back to them. Almost like saying if they come to the same verdict 'by the book' and prove that a partner has been found for PL, there's nothing CK can do about it. Today could have been much worse - they could have over-ruled them and sanctioned the move, so overall I think we've got to be pleased. Any more thoughts from anyone?
Edinburgh Don
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 10:13:40 (PST)
from bbc http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/football/teams/w/wimbledon/newsid_1741000/1741876.stm
ns
se25 - Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 07:38:57 (PST)
Great. So now we know virtually nothing since the full details of FAs ajudication to stay secret from public.
northernsouler
se25, - Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 07:36:15 (PST)
...and I thought the last few minutes of the cup final were agony!!!!
Edinburgh Don
- Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 06:28:35 (PST)
WISA CHat is down at the mo and W&WW guestbook is getting flooded my site should be ok but W&WW is where it's all going on at the mo.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 05:13:13 (PST)
Ok while we all wait for the news that is due today coulple of light harted bits from Sunday's Arsenal vs Liverpool game after the incident a lot of the radio stations have said that the FA wont do anything about coin throwing as football is all about Money!! Were they being ironic or is it just one of them funny statements another thing i hear the FA were gonna throw the book at carragher but were afraid he'd throw it back :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, January 29, 2002 at 02:36:30 (PST)
Saw your message of support on The QOS rivals web-site Paul. Nice one. As a southeast based Dons fan who's other team is the mighty Queens I agree whole heartedly!! See you at Walsall tomorrow perhaps.
Callum Watson (callum_watson@hotmail.com)
- Monday, January 28, 2002 at 09:22:47 (PST)
edinburgh don : I must say I had a wry smile at the Rangers english hoolie connection article in the Guardian. Far fetched or what; the idea of right wing twats travelling 700 miles from london to aberdeen just for a ruck. must a be cultural exchange visit
northensouler
se25 - Monday, January 28, 2002 at 04:54:24 (PST)
Koppel doesnt even own Wimbledon Football club. Nice try.
The Real Hash
- Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 08:12:06 (PST)
apparently koppel has sold us to a english buisnessman who lives in devon
matt Lock (whatever@next.com)
london, england - Sunday, January 27, 2002 at 07:07:40 (PST)
Come on guys get onto "www.wimbledonguardian.co.uk/views/ballot" and click on Plough Lane
Wibbly Don
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 16:20:15 (PST)
Not too much of a surprise the game was off.Bet Portsmouth didn't bust a gut to do everything they could to get the game on given their suspensions, injuries etc. Still not too bothered given the fact had a ticket for the open end.We must be dedicated or plain supid to pay 15 quid for the privilege of getting soaked to the skin.
wiltshire don
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 09:47:49 (PST)
Would have caught the 12:38 from Wimbledon but luckily the ticket clerk told me it was off. Don't know how to get through the weekend now :-( The shop - will it ever re-open in Wimbledon?
inane hopeless protestor
Merton, - Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 06:09:35 (PST)
Ronan - Staff Shortage. Rang on Thursday at lunchtime, the bloke on the phone said that there were "staffing problems". When pushed he said "Illness"
Info Don
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 03:00:47 (PST)
Just to give a little light distraction - you remember the rucks that took place at the Aberdeen V Rangers game last week? Well it seems that it couldn't possibly be the sweet and innocent Scottish football fans, so the Police and SFA have blamed Chelsea and Crystal Palace supporters! Seriously - Palace!? Didn't know that lot of muppets could find their way out of Thornton Heath!
Edinburgh Don
- Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 02:37:39 (PST)
This site has gone silent. Is it, perhaps, because we are all holding our breath waiting. Hope not, otherwise we will all suffocate. Can't see how the verdict will be anything other than a No No. Surely all the arbitration panel has to decide is "Did the League give due consideration to the request of W.F.C". If it is in the rules, that's it, end of story. Or am I being hopeful?
TW
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 10:54:59 (PST)
Why is the broadway club shop closed these days?
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Friday, January 25, 2002 at 10:25:53 (PST)
at last good news for plough lane. speedway set to return to the stadium . love those dirt bikes.
northernsouler
se25 - Friday, January 25, 2002 at 04:16:41 (PST)
The return of Northernsouler - it's been a while! Tell us something we don't know about Hamman - I think you would struggle to find any Dons fan with a good word to say about the man these days. People say he made the club, and while they have a point, lets not forget that he only did it to make a name and a fortune for himself. The Jambos are doing ok by the way!
Edinburgh Don
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 09:23:54 (PST)
Tom (Norwich) Andy Roberts, I must admit is not my type of player but having said that, until recently dropped he was probably having his best season since joining the Dons. He's a steady, rather than spectacular player. The sort that just gets on with his job and not unknown to get in when needed. Doesn't score many but those he does tend to come from outside the box. From what I've seen of Norwich he may well fit in.
TW
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 08:47:31 (PST)
Hi Tom From Norwich - To be honest I thought Andy roberts was one of our most consistent players at the start of this season. He was ever present in games upto the Sheffield United game but then he was subbed in that game and as he left the pitch he exchanged words with Terry Burton and since then he has been in the reserves. He does a steady job in midfield and IIRC his other half is in Footballers Wives!!
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 07:47:46 (PST)
dons shouldn't forget Sam H's part in the sorry episode. The whole point about Wimbledon's current situation is that Hamman deliberately made them homeless as a ploy to force the FA/League to accept a move away from London.When he realised that he would not be allowed to move the club to Dublin/Belfast/Cardiff
he found two suckers to take Wimbledon of his hands and then did a runner with the money. Koppel is just a company manager who has been asked to do a dirty job for the Wimbledon's Norwegian owners, the real villian is Hamman.
Even if the FA/League force Wimbledon to stay in London don't expect anything but a clear out of all the saleable players by the end of the season. And that's just on the playing side. This could well precipitate the sell off of the club as the current owners cut their losses.
northernsouler
se25, - Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 07:39:55 (PST)
Good site!
wot is andy roberts like? any good?
Tom
Norwich, England, UK - Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 07:07:12 (PST)
Guess who charlton's opponents were the week they announced the move from the Valley ? palace of course. cue mucho nasti-fisticffs.
northernsouler
se25, - Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 06:14:44 (PST)
E Don, I agree but just think of this, if the decision go's against us which IMO it wont, our next home game is against the Palace worst case scenario I would have thought, irrespective what the decision is and when it is made Koppell will still get mega shit thrown his way
Wibbly Don
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 05:55:00 (PST)
The M1, between Milton Keynes and Luton, was blocked today. Apparantley, traffic was held up because a lorry shed it's load---of WOMBLES!!! Even stuffed toys won't go there.
TW
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 05:52:34 (PST)
Not sure it is so promising that we're kept waiting. Holding out afraid the fans will go ape v Man City because decision is going against us? Surely if the verdict would keep us happy, and make the fans behave, they would announce it? Or am I just being paranoid?
Edinburgh Don
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 04:39:41 (PST)
No news is good news. I should think the possible development at PL has thrown a big spanner into the works. If it's a geniune proposal no panel/court could give the go ahead to MK. By the way Ed Don's comments about Livingstone's ground are spot on. The "Almondvale Stadium" would fit Plough Lane just about right. It's capacity is about 10,000 and the Scots are building an office and hotel complex onto the existing buildings. The whole thing was planned for immediate use and with any expansion in mind for when the time arose.
TW
- Thursday, January 24, 2002 at 02:34:28 (PST)
Aaahhhhhhhh!!! I can't stand this anymore, why us???
Matt (Mattbtpl@aol.com)
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 15:41:35 (PST)
Quick word about not being able to get into W&WW, WISA & SW19 sites they are all based on the same machine where the web space is hosted free. The person who's machine it is has had to do some updates recently and when he does the sites all go down. Mine is based on commercial webspace from a company on the West Coast of America so that's why it is normally up, and also why the time is wrong. Keep the faith.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 13:54:43 (PST)
mjs: I cant get on either mate. Something big is going to be unveiled tomorrow me thinks. My take on the arbo: day 1 for Koppel's lies, lies, lies, lies and more lies (residents against move to PL-lie, will cost too much-lie, we are losing 20k per day-lie, no option-lie). day 2 for some home truths from the football league (with reference to Mertons latest findings, ICM poll, Plough Lane investment company, responses to Charlie koppels reasons against PL, perhaps some extracts from HBRA). And day 3 was prolly cross questioning (they did say the HEARING would last 3 days)so it seems tomorrow is gonna be the big day. If it goes our way, which it will IMO, a return to PL is almost inevitable....we wont go into admin because we are not in financial shit (that is all part of Koppels lie...how can any club that has sold £24 million in 15 months be in financial shit), the NOgs will sell up and we will get someone in who has a vision and who loves football. If it goes against us......roll on Real Wimbledon FC. I know people are gonna say 'no, I am gonna keep on fighting'. Its all very well. But we cant do anything. Perhaps on paper we could take it to court, but that would take years (by which time the move would already have happened, unless we can get an injunction which we might not be able to) and would cost an absolute bomb (which WISA sadly does not have).
The Real Hash
why the hell does that always happen (WISA, w&ww, sw19s army all down on eve of big announcements), - Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 12:06:08 (PST)
hmmm.....www, wisa and sw19 seem to be down (or at least i can't get to them). Probably not a good sign given recent history
mjs
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 11:43:03 (PST)
I reckon a couple of buy one get to kick shit out of Koppell free would be much more like it at present - anyone agree
Hutch
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 09:24:43 (PST)
I reckon a couple of 'buy-one-get-one-free' deals would be a good idea to boost our attendances. Could stipulate that free ticket is for a family memeber or something
Jake Don
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 07:54:46 (PST)
Ronan - I can say the first time I read it and it said "I'm grummpy and I told you so" I thought god it's been announced and I spent the enxt 15 minutes searching the web and their was nothing!! I think it's getting to all of us. anyway keep the faith.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 04:52:36 (PST)
:-) That last posts reads as if I knew about the Merton thing. I didn't.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Wednesday, January 23, 2002 at 04:48:21 (PST)
Sorry everyone - just a bit grumpy and jumpy this week. The news is no surprise to me. My post was a 'I TOLD YOU SO' type of thing. Except, I didn't tell you, coz I couldn't. We can easily return to PL - it only takes a bit of work and forgetting about trying to kill off our club.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 10:56:36 (PST)
Ronan, I can only speak for myself, but I made some comments about not being too optimistic about the chances of anyone investing in WFC/PL. This wasn't just doom & gloom for the sake of it - can you blame anyone for being pessimistic? I always said also that I would dearly love to be proved wrong, and to see someone ready to invest in WFC in Merton, but was concerned about the lack of possibility. If this news has real substance, to use a Keeganism, I'd luv it ;-) Martin, I know for a fact what you said is true. Some (not nec all) people still working for WFC are doing so because they hope that if this blows over, they can continue working for them at a new home in Merton. I also know that some definitely will resign if the arbitration verdict is the one we all dread.
Edinburgh Don
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 05:22:22 (PST)
Martin - it wasn't an attack on the club staff - just in response to some of the 'nobody would invest in a stadium for WFC' style comments further down the guestbook.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 03:57:31 (PST)
Ronan, of course no-one believes Koppel, but IMO the people who still work for the club (Paul R?) are only doing so because they think MK will never happen and they'd rather not piss the club off and lose the jobs that they love and wanted for so long. I'd like to think that if the arbitration goes for Koppel and WFC become MKFC they will ALL resign - but that is just my assumption of course. I really hope that when this is all over there won't be recriminations though ("I didn't see you protesting" etc.) :(
Martin D
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 03:25:49 (PST)
Oooh. Look. Developers interested in building a stadium on PL. Now - who was saying before nobody would invest in the site? Gosh - looks like they were wrong. What a surprise. Nice to see it didn't leak until after arbitration started of course - so CK and his cronies weren't able to try and blow it out of the water. Hmmm. a site (WISA), a stadium plan (WISA), finance (Merton), and people who want to go there (WISA/Merton ICM Poll). Nope - lets all move to MK instead. Anyone who still believes Koppel left?
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 02:36:27 (PST)
Check out www.thisislondon.co.uk, in the sports section there is a good report with the headline 'Developers offer plan for Plough Lane'.
Jools
Earlsfield, - Tuesday, January 22, 2002 at 02:20:26 (PST)
I have to agree with your point in the news - I didn't have the slightest idea about the 10 man thing. Serves them right for injuring JD and DC the gits! Any news on them, btw?!
Chris (tfi2@hotmail.com)
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 13:23:22 (PST)
Dont die of shock I am going to agree with sentiments expressed on the guestbook :) basically whatever the arbitration result they cant kill Wimbleodn Football Club because they arent Wimbledon Football CLub we are!!! If they steal our place in the League they dont get our history they dont get our memories and if I have to watch us play on Wimbledon common on sunday morning I will do because I will never go to the souless franchise shell they will have created. Wimbledon belong in Wimbledon full stop.
Sean Fox-nervously waiting for the next 120 hours (or less hopefully)
- Monday, January 21, 2002 at 03:06:19 (PST)
Whatever the result at arbitration we will win this war. Nogs out! 'True' Wimbledon supporters will never die. C'mon you Dons, let's get back to Plough Lane.
the Wizard of Oz (flannel12@DINGOBLUE.NET.AU)
gOSFORD, nsw aUSTRALIA - Monday, January 21, 2002 at 01:54:26 (PST)
If it all goes tits up, can I just say it's been a pleasure arguing with you all ;-)
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
CocKpull, will you PLEASE answer that question, Now (please) - Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 15:28:55 (PST)
ED - I remember going to that 3-3 Villa game. I think Kenny C scored the other own goal. Anyway I can recall that one of the own goals and I think it was the Reeves goal ranks in the top ten best goals we scored at Selhurst!!!!Memories like that make it so so sad about the state we are in and its heartbreaking to think perhaps memories are all we will have left soon.
wiltshire don
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 06:16:47 (PST)
Oh come on Ronan I think you might of got in to much of a lather after yesterdays result :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 05:00:27 (PST)
Stu - these is a family site - please leave your stories of girlfriends and soap where they belong - in the bedroom.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 04:39:46 (PST)
On the fifth day of Chrismas Charles Koppel gave to me five free season tickets, four yellow shirts, three programmes sold, two broken mugs and a stadium in Milton Keynes!
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 04:21:48 (PST)
Took a trip to see Britain's first 'franchised' club, Livingston play Hearts yesterday. As you know they took over Edinburgh's 3rd team, Meadowbank/Ferranti Thistle in about '95, and of course, saying that the old club's heritage and name etc would be preserved, none remains. Lovely little stadium, a slightly expanded version would fit easily into PL site and would do us proud. However, found that they have a 'Ferranti Thistle Suite' in the main stand. Was that a grim glimpse of the futeure when all that will remain of our identity is a poxy executive lounge called the "SW19 Suite" or the "88 Suite" in the main stand at Milton Keynes United FC? We'll soon know.
Edinburgh Don
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 03:53:14 (PST)
Can we play Brum every week? Wiltshire - the moaning on Brum radio has been going on for years. They are incredibly biased towards any West Mids side. I used to live there and was listening to commentry on a WFC v Villa game from Selhurst around ? 96/97 - it was one where they had a dubious penalty and we scored 2 goals for them (Reeves was scored one OG I'm sure there was another but can't remember), ? Mick Harford scored a last minute equaliser to make it 3-3 and the Brummie commentators had the cheek to suggest Villa were robbed! The more things change.......
Edinburgh Don
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 03:46:55 (PST)
WD - apparently, it was the same ref as Norwich 3 weeks ago. Ironic that KD/JD returned and may explain why he didn't book JD for that nudge/foul just after he'd booked a Bloo. Thought he gave us a fair show and penalty looked it from where we were. We totally out played them first half, must have been embarassing for their fans and the passion and noise of us Dons, shamed such a "massive club/sleeping giant" and was marvellous to be a part of.
Nige (just hope its not the last time :-()
Wimbledon, - Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 03:25:54 (PST)
Listening to the local B'ham radio station on way home yesterday you wouldn't believe all the whinging going on. Some were moaning that they only had 17,000 there. ONLY 17,000...what we would give for a crowd of 17,000!!! A couple were saying we were a poor side and we were tough, pushing ans shoving etc etc. At least the presenter who was at the game didn't agree. Reasonable seeing as how we had about 4 fouls to 1 in our favour. Alright for the first side this season we had a referee who actually favoured us but still think it was B'ham who were the tougher side.And for those who didn't go it was amazing Holloway didn't end up in the back row of the stand following a Grainger tackle. But we are always portrayed as the bad guys and no credit for deservedly beating a top side.
wiltshire don
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 01:20:15 (PST)
Paul, since when was Tooting on the West Coast of America?
Andy Sayer`s hairy bollocks
- Sunday, January 20, 2002 at 00:39:20 (PST)
site is nice but please remove egil olsen from the names on your banner, he stands out a a bad womble, 1 season wonder....we went down,,,put joe kinnear up
Mumphy
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 21:59:06 (PST)
superb result today!! Hughies' goal was a stormer!! nice little storm on the stewards after we scored! sh*t chesseburgers tho
ueawomble (dave_king2000@hotmail.com)
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 14:48:41 (PST)
Ronan, It was lucky that Paul noticed my typing error otherwise there would of been my blood everywhere!!:-) Im not going to Birmingham, Im a my girlfriends for the weekend and she dosent let me see football!!!! Its soaps all weekend !!!!!
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 04:22:32 (PST)
Stu - oh, no, you didn't!! we all know you are part of the evil plan to move us to MK. :-) Going to Brum?
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 12:37:44 (PST)
I've heard that the 'old timers' on the board of WFC went mental at CocKpull for what he said to the Haydon's Bridge Residents Association. Christ, CocKpull, you have NO support and nobody likes you.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 12:27:12 (PST)
very quiet here today seeing that we are in the most important week in WFC history
Hutch
- Friday, January 18, 2002 at 07:47:15 (PST)
If anyone is in central london this lunchtime then get your asses down to the football league's HQ - 11 Connaught Place London W2 2ET. The It's a community thing postcards are being handed over at 12:30. Wear colours as there should be some press there. (note to Paul, sorry for spam).
Peter Bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
Wimbledon, Wimbledon Wimbledon - Friday, January 18, 2002 at 02:41:40 (PST)
ooops!!!!!!!! Yeah I meant to put PL and Premiership Football!!! It got you lot going anyway
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 10:42:27 (PST)
Hopefully everyone by now has picked up on the trash as written by Alyson Rudd in todays Times and replied accordingly to the following david.chappell@the-times.co.uk or sport@the-times.co.uk so for once sto the arguing, this is something that surely we can ALL agree on so get Emailing
Wibbly Don
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 03:52:40 (PST)
Just spoken to Stu he meant to say "I want my cake and eat it, I want PL (Plough Lane) and Premiership Football" he will confirm this next time he's on the web.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 03:40:17 (PST)
The question about the times on the guestbook. The site is hosted on the West Coast of America so they are 8 hours behind us I cant change it but I hope that helps. Sean as far as I can see no alleagation has been made via this guestbook so I dont see what the problem is if it's been said by e-mail to the Chair of WISA that is something that you should take up with them or Stu. And I didn't hear you say evening on Monday at the reserves.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 03:38:21 (PST)
Stuart - your message at 1050 says I want my cake and eat it I want MK and the premier league, whereas earlier in your post you stated you would walk away if the arb went in Koppells favour
where do you stand?
Hutch
- Thursday, January 17, 2002 at 03:07:33 (PST)
Rowley: actually I prefer felt tips these days they come in such pretty colours. Apparently I am not allowed to smoke in case I burn down things though :)
Oh and I was lookign at what I might like to buy when Mr Koppel's ridiculous plans are called off for him , or just gnerally wakes up to the real world that is Wimbledon belonging in Wimbledon! and get out of the Club with his parasitic mates. WISA members banned from the shop then ? :)
Sean Fox
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 15:19:54 (PST)
Stuart, regarding the 19 players out of contract at the end of the season I think it was Paul who listed most of them and there were only one or two true first team players as I recall ( any chance of someone reminding us who they are?).How many others over and above this 19 will go I suppose will depend on what happens next week. Don't agree about Shipps, I think he is undervalued by a lot of the fans. He works hard throughout every game and often left to battle up front on his own.
wiltshire don
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 13:17:23 (PST)
Wibbly and Sean thanks for replying to my points about fans descending (or otherwise) on Selhurst. I was sacastically replying to a pretty daft comment about people from MK travelling down to Selhurst.I don't know why we are compared to Charlton's position before they got shifted here there and everywhere. I think I am right in saying they played in front of bigger crowds at the Valley before they left than we ever did at Plough lane. In other words they had a bigger fan base to return to.
wiltshire don
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 13:09:39 (PST)
Oops, lookout, Seans' dropped his crayons;)
Rowley Birkin QC (uncle88uk@yahoo.co.uk)
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 12:27:32 (PST)
Stuart I assume that was bad grammar at the end of your last post :) "I wanr MK and Premier League football" Oh and I do hope you aren ot attributign those comments about kids and parents to me because they arent mine!
By the way I sem to remember a number of people on this site asking people to respect eachothers opinions and be polite to each other. Oh well so I suppose I wont bother saying good evening the next time I see you then after all. That is if the CLub havnet imposed a ban on me for breaking precisely no rules or ground regulations not to mention laws of the land. I think you will find there is still a right of peaceful protest in this country, a proud tradition and part of our democracy or does that not apply in the thriving Police state that is Koppeldom?
Sean Fox
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 11:43:16 (PST)
Martin, will you simmer my friend!!! I am not being passive, im actually looking forward to the 21st, as fro once we will know one way or the other. If it goes for us then great, if it doesnt then I will wlak away and go shopping with my girlfriend. If it goes against us we are fucked. End of!!!! Personally, I think if we got relegated we would go out of business in 2 years. There is no future in lower league football, it will be semi-proffesional soon and we will go back to having 2 fans and a dog at games. People may say they would rather have that than MK, me personally I want my cake and eat it. I want MK and Premiership football.
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 10:50:51 (PST)
Of course the football "matters", it is just that other things matter MORE. Please put the following two things in your order of priority: 1. A return to Merton/Plough Lane 2. Returning to the Premiership/staying in Division 1. As for assuming that the arbitration will go our way, that is complete folly and the usual apathetic Wimbledon fan way. It COULD go against us. Whatever happens, we absolutely HAVE to get more involved in the club (and I don't just mean working in a/the club shop) and stop being so bloody passive.
Martin Drake
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 08:35:10 (PST)
Hutch, agreed but there are more than just 2 who should be shown the door at least Shipps do's try, LB though, Kimble, Hawkins and Darlington, bit of a motley crew shame we couldnt afford John Harley oh! oh! oh! oh! he cant get a place at the Foolham, what about Thatch on loan still see his run / tackle on Summerbee
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 08:22:19 (PST)
Wibbly - I was being realistic - I think their is 2 positions we could improve on with a small budget, left back and up front - we now have several players who can play RB several who can play right midfield several who can play CB and loads who can play centre mid - we have a glut of strikers but I think we could sell 2 (Robinson and Shipps) and bring in a more dominating centre forward - also a specialist left back has been a priority for ages - why haven't we got one?
Hutch
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 08:05:02 (PST)
Stuart, like you my next door neighbour is a QPR die hard and he expressed the exact same conmcerns, Hutch which two positions I could probably name 5 or 6 positions
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 07:53:56 (PST)
Hutch, cant share your optimisom for next season if the arb goes in our favour. We have 19 players out of contract next season. My best mate is a QPR fan and he says our season reminds him of when they were relegated into Div 1. QPR fans said they were too good for the division had 2 seasons in Div 1 then got relegated due to them losing there good players because of money pronlems. I think a good run to the end of the season could convince some players to stay.
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 06:57:17 (PST)
Stuart, to be honest, with so many crap sides in div 1 there is no chance of us going down this season. if the arb goes against us then most people will not be going next season anyway (me definitely included in that) if the arb goes for us trust me we will start next season with the same kind of enthusiasm as we did this one, and IMO we are only 2 players and less injuries short of a top 4 side at the moment
Hutch
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 06:43:30 (PST)
I think th football does matter. The MK issue is very important, but wouldnt it be better to go back to PL as at least a division 1 ckub rather than say a 2nd or 3rd division club??? The away support at Boro was good last night and got behind the side, I cant say we always do that at Selhurst. Yes we have to protest but I also want a club playing top opponents.Before you all say that (we may have no club after the 21st) I agree with that but if everyone is so confident the arbitration will go against it why cant we just encorage this team a bit more. I realised last night what we have lost by getting relegated by going to the Riverside last night. It wasnt packed but the stadium is batter than anything in divison 1.
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
Wimbledon, - Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 06:31:35 (PST)
Sean, to be honest mate your boring the hell out of me!!! Why should I say hello to you at the reserves??? Im not too faced to slag someone off one minute in a crowd and then when they are by themselves be polite and want to be mates. To be honest I cant be bothered to mention Saturday as your thrests are meant to keep my mouth shut. Im jst glad im out of it but trust me it doesnt mean all off a suden im mates with all the people who slagged me off. I know the ones who had the guts to come to my face and not slag me off, and they are the ones I respect. Im not even a violent person and people realised that when they asked me direct questions to me and got a honest answer. As for the Shop business this is in hand with the club and the police so anyone caught on the CCTV footage will be notified anyway. So ill leave it to the club to deal with it. As for a previous comment I noticed saying that the children in the shop had parents with them who would of known that there was a boycott and should not of taken them in there. Well that is complete crap!!! You try taking a kid to football and refusing them the chance to look at badges, keyrings etc. Get in the real world. Dont you understand, these KIDS have no right to be involved in this!! Maybe if it was your own kid you may realise.
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 06:14:40 (PST)
Sean - I can see where the manager was coming from - what were you actually doing in there? Are you not boycotting like everyone else? You've got to see thateyebrows would have been raised, what with a baying mob outside and you being a WISA member. Jonesy and others - have cured e-mail problem. Please feel free to comtact at above.
Rowley Birkin QC (uncle88uk@yahoo.co.uk)
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 05:43:27 (PST)
"Based on quite a few of the recent messages doesn't seem like too many of you gave a toss we lost tonight then" Spot on! You seem to have finally got the message. I couldn't care less if the potential MK Dons lost a cup tie. If Wimbledon are franchised to MK then I cease to have any interest in them at all.
Martin Drake
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 03:39:09 (PST)
Writing this quickly as I'm late for work - just to clarify, my comments in SW19's ARMY that nobody was lucky to be lifted, in my experience of such situations, the police can and do lift people for no apparent reason, depending what mood they're in. I'm no apportioning blame to anyone there, it was heated but I've seen worse things happen (Millwall kicking the shit out of Watford par example).
REPD
SM4, - Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 02:36:15 (PST)
Wiltshire - totally disagree with you there and agree with Sean, why would people (even the most hardy fan) want to watch our club at the moment? people of MMMerton have a right to their club whether they go to every game or once in their lifetime whereas MK have absolutely no rights to our club at all!! also having an extra 18000 watching us would not guarentee success as we have proven in the past. right now is the most important time for WFC fans (however few) to pull together to help save our club and leave the slating of our lack of support to the press
Hutch
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 02:02:20 (PST)
Wilts, that should have read CLUB in turmoil and not team as I beleive that we have the makings of a decent team
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 00:28:39 (PST)
Wilts, with you all the way re fans but and there always is a but, 8 miles to support a team that is in turmoil, 8 miles to support a team than Olsen destroyed, god almost left myself then, 8 miles to go to that soulless hole, I know that they are all excuses but look at Charlton they had the exact same crowd problems that we have and I can only agree with Sean I DO think that the results are secondry and I firmly believe that a return to Plough Lane would see a return of the fans perhaps not 18k all in the one go it will take time but there is absolutly no reason why it shouldnt work
Wibbly Don
- Wednesday, January 16, 2002 at 00:26:20 (PST)
Wilts: my concern is we can recover form a defeat on the field, a defeat off the field next week and there is no next year in the F.A. Cup there is no replay there is no: well we can make up the lost points with a couple of good results to put it bluntly there is no Wimbledon.
Tonight I missed my first game since Boxing Day 1999 know why? ok partly it had to do with work commitmements (but I have always managed to wangle that one before), partly it had to do with finances(but that doenst normally stop me) majorly it had ot do with the fact that for the first time in 22 years of watching this CLub I wondered whether it was all worth it if three faceless businessmen and three people meeting in a secret place could take it all away in a matter of days.
Now if I feel like that how likely do you think it that those potential supporters are going to commit themselves to something when the threats of relocation, merger and the general stench of rorten management that we have put up with for most of the last two decades has become so apparent?
Sean Fox
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 15:35:47 (PST)
Based on quite a few of the recent messages doesn't seem like too many of you gave a toss we lost tonight then. WHAT A SHAME WHILE WE HAVE A FOOTBALL CLUB WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE GET BEHIND THEM. Or it is too difficult for some people to protest against the club but support the players at the same time? A reply to one of Jonesy's messages. Jonesy put forward the suggestion that if MK is such a hotbed of potential fans why don't they travel 60 miles and back to support us now. Well said so likewise why don't these 18,000 "potential" fans in Merton travel 8 miles and back to watch us now.If they did as I've said before we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. Horror of horror's replying to TW's point about subs. I also think Terry Burton in the main makes a complete hash of using subs.You are very very lucky if you put a sub on with a couple of minutes to go and he goes and wins the game for you. It happens ie Preston but not very often. I expect we have all felt very frustrated when you feel just about anyone on the pitch could be subbed. You see the subs warming up, tops come off and then they sit down.What a waste of time.
wiltshire don
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 14:51:26 (PST)
WISA, WWW, and SW19 are hosted on the same machine - and hosted for free by a friend of Darren (ex-WISA webmaster). IIRC, even parts of this site once used to be (or may still be) hosted on the same machine. The machine is based in Yahoo premises - and their ISP access went belly-up today.
Apologies to all - but not much we can do about it.
Yes - this machine only goes down when important news breaks (QPR, MK, More Koppelgate transcripts) - and we all know it's an evil plan by Koppel to try and scupper our plans for world domination.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 10:12:45 (PST)
Stuart if you continue to persist with your allegations you may find that they and the site that hosts them are the subject of Legal action. As for the reserves last night remind me who was it who came in last night walked in and said good evening to yourself and Paul Raymond only to be studiously ignored.
I have detailed exactly what myy involvement in the Club shop incident was on WWW in response to a post made on Sunday lunchtime by R. Don night. I broke no laws, I assaulted nobody and if that particualr allegation is made again I will jhave no hesitation in responding in a legal manner. I made no attempt to force my way into the shop. For that matter the Steward who was standing by the door actually ushered me in to cries of scab from the people outside. Now I may have total respect ofr your abilites in retail but unless these include mind reading I would suggest you stop making assumptions as to what I was doing in the shop, stop making allegations regarding potential pyromaniac tendanciues to the Chair of WISA and actually have the good grace to aknowledge someone when they speak to you. For the record I wonder exactly how much of a view you had as I cettainly didnt see you when I was doing the cardinal sin of looking at some merchandise, a thing I am sure many people do in a shop without the manager deciding to ask a Policeman to foreceably eject them from the premises. Hmm things got worse after that not surprising really is it when a crowd of people see someone being launched backwards out of a door.
You want to stop wasting spoace on IMBD guestbook suggest you e-mail me
Sean Fox (seanphilfox@aol.com)
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 10:03:06 (PST)
looks like the other sites are up. don't panic!!!
jc
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 09:57:10 (PST)
Paul, any chance of getting the update time changed to local or if not poss do you know what the time difference between PST and SW20 is? ps we'll win on pens tonight.
Nige
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 09:42:30 (PST)
JC: I too cannot get on. Certainly raises suspicion. Though I believe SW19 and WWW are on trhe same server, and WISA may be too considering the personnel involved.
Florida John (john@johnperrie.com)
Dallas, TX USA - Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 07:49:26 (PST)
No-one wants to see young children frightened, but I bet they were in the club shop with either their parents or older people, i.e. people who presumably know there is a merchandise boycott, understand the MK situation and couldn't care less or, worse, are happy about it. Yes, I would love to see every 10 year-old in SW London in a Wimbledon shirt, but it's possible that there WILL NOT be a team in SW London for them to support, so what is the point of their support ATM? Or do you think we should encourage people to support the MK Dons? To be perfectly honest, I hope they're put off Wimbledon so that they avoid the ridiculous crap we've put up with for years. We are being put through the furnace, and if we lose a lot of the fair-weather casual support then so be it. IMO We cannot even begin to build support, young or old, until our long-term future is secure back in Merton.
Martin Drake
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 07:46:15 (PST)
anyone out there know whats happened to weirdandwonderfulworld.com, sw19s army or wisa pages. have they been shut down, or is there some shit going down???
jc
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 07:41:11 (PST)
that was not a threat by the way just my assesment of what will happen
Hutch again
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 06:58:46 (PST)
all this talk about things getting out of hand - at any other club things would of been out of hand in August! what WFC fans have been put through I think we all agree is ridiculous to say the least, but there are always going to be those who boil over and it won't stop - you can go on all you like about how it is wrong and we should be above it etc but it will only get worse unless justice prevails next week.........all I want to do is go to as match, talk about the match and nothing else - at the moment the game on the pitch is not the important thing and until it is expect things to get worse
Hutch (just the way it is)
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 06:57:24 (PST)
E Don, again nobody is saying that it is right for anyone to use extreme language irrespective how old they are all that I am trying to do is put into context how the peoples feelings have and are changing, and how extreme language has entered into the Wimbledon Supporters singing over the past few months and should I have offended you or any one else on the guestbook I can only apologise but unfortunately Koppell and the rest of the Nogs are still utter *****
Wibbly Don
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 06:47:18 (PST)
Firstly I never blamed WISA for the shop incident. My WISA panicking comment was a seperate comment - sorry if that wasn't clear. Secondly, if you go to SW19's army site - there is an admission by someone who was involved that people were lucky not to be lifted. Lastly, Wibbly, if you think it ok for a 10 year old to be using such language, and can't stop yourself from using it on a family guestbbok, then you are nothing but what you say CK is.
Edinburgh Don
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 06:18:26 (PST)
E Don, I quote " I have heard plenty about the shop incident" that is half the trouble with most things " I never saw it but I heard" unless it is fact stop stirring, one persons explanation could differ greatly from another, I am a member of WISA and certainly do not condone what has SUPPOSEDLY happened, I cannot comment as I was not there but as Ronan stated what about the OWFF, what about other supporters not attached to anyone feelings down here are running high and like you I am a Scot the difference is I am here and appreciate he feelings from all sides, there is a familly that sit behind me at the start of the season they were saying why do you keep slagging Koppell during the game, this week their 10 year old kid is calling Koppel a cunt with his dad smiling at his side, feelings are high and it dont take much to incite trouble, as I said earlier I do not condone what is supposed to have happened but do not comment on hear say stick to facts Koppell is indeed a cunt
Wibbly Don
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 05:40:24 (PST)
Well said Stuart and Edinburgh Don!
Jon
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 05:38:53 (PST)
Martin, I haven't the room on this site to go into a full explanation. But , the rough gist of what I meant was that many full time employees are there for a normal office job and no more. The same as if they worked for Ford's. Yes, for the security of their own jobs they want the company to be successful but that doesn't stop them driving a Vauxhall. Hope that makes it clear to what I was trying to say.
TW
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 05:30:44 (PST)
MORE Koppelgate - another 35 or so extracts - some even better than the ones you have seen. KOPPELGATE TAPES
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 05:17:43 (PST)
ED - WISA are NOT panicking - we are wiping the floor with this muppet. As for the shop protest (which I wasn't at) - it wasn't organised by WISA (otherwise I would have been there). Why blame WISA when there were plenty of OWFF members there?
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 05:16:24 (PST)
And, just as they did at Molde, Gjelsten insists that if land can be found for a new stadium, the owners will pay for it. "It will cost anything from £30m to £60m, because you're talking about a stadium for 30,000 people. Obviously it will be funded partly by myself and Kjell. We might look for partners in the club, but only if we find the right partners – they have to show some passion for the sport and show the same long-term focus as us. We are trying to rebuild the club in its local community and the only thing that can stop us is is lack of land. It almost stopped us Molde, but in the end we dumped 90,000 cubic metres of rocks into the fjord to make land. I'm not sure if we can do that here."
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
From 4-4-2 many months ago. Ring any bells. 'We can't afford one/don't have the money" (CK), - Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 05:07:07 (PST)
Sorry, maybe I shouldn't be upsetting such 'hard men' who can manage to upset a few kids wanting a WFC shirt or something?
Edinburgh Don
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 05:02:18 (PST)
By Thuggery and intimidation I need only refer you to Suart's last post. Isn't frightening kids taking things a little too far? I have heard plenty about the shop incident, and by all accounts, some of you are lucky not to have been lifted (even an admission by one of the people involved - see SW19's army website). I meant not to say "that all protests should stop til all society's problems are solved" as someone suggested, but just to keep a grip on relity before charging around like a bunch of loons. As for the comment (can't remember who from) about me only being bothered about football cuz I'm living in Edinburgh - would you care to explain? In the meantime - WISA are just panicking. Nothing has changed in the last few weeks as we knew arbitration was coming, we knew Koppell was lying all round, and we knew that they would want MKDons to replace WFC asap. So what's new? Wait until after the hearing before getting in such a state as I believe they can only realistically return one verdict. Rent-a-mob tactics are hardly going to make the panel smile upon the poor supporters are they?
Edinburgh Don
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 04:57:37 (PST)
Sean, trust me Im not confusing anything. I was not the one at the reserves looking very shifty was I. I know what I saw at the club shop on Saturday. I saw kids no older than 11 scared silly and caught up in something they had no right to. These are the ones who we are trying to attract if this club survives for christ sake. I have protested in the past for the dublin thing but never where any kids were involved. I hope those people at the front of the shop when it started realise what they did to those kids. Those at the back I seriously dont beleive realised or could even see who were in the shop at that stage, its only a small shop. So as I say Sean, if I was involved in that I would be very ashamed or I would fight and deny it. Ring any bells?????
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 03:36:14 (PST)
anybody know if u have to be a crazy game member to get tickets for away games, or whether u can just turn up on the day? thanx
dave king (dave_king2000@hotmail.com)
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 03:14:38 (PST)
Edinburgh Don, with all due respect I couldn't care less about the football, results, style etc. ATM. If you are indeed in Edinburgh I can understand why you do though. As for thuggery and intimidation, I can't believe what I'm hearing. I've seen none of it and I can't believe you mean a few abusive postings on an Internet guestbook. As for there being more important things in life, obviously there are. How do you know that people and Dons fans in particular AREN'T aware of thew world's many problems. Just because people are trying to save the football club they love from a franchised extinction doesn't mean they think that cause is more important than many others. Or are you suggesting that people shouldn't bother until all wars are ended and poverty and disease eliminated?
Martin Drake (martin_drake@hotmail.com)
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 02:39:47 (PST)
TW wrote: "Many of them don't care about football anyway, they're not there on match days, and see it as just a job. As for part timers, I don't hear them encouraging people to buy the club merchandise. They are just there to supply it if asked. If they were to all leave you would then have a club filled with people with no sense of our history." This makes no sense. How can a lot of WFC employees not "care about football" yet have a "sense of our history". Our history IS football. It's a fair point to say many WFC employees probably couldn't really care about WFC because of our enforced exile, but to say anyone who works for a football club doesn't care about football, even a little bit, is truly bizarre. Even at the most basic level, success or failure on the football field affects their jobs.
Martin Drake (martin_drake@hotmail.com)
- Tuesday, January 15, 2002 at 02:34:01 (PST)
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