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Oh, will you stop talking about all the periphery and realise that in a months time, our club might be dead?
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
FIDDLING WHILST ROME BURNS. RECOGNISE IT?, - Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 17:56:41 (PST)
I am afraid I have to agree with one of Paul's latest posts regarding football being a business. I have said it myself before why should the Nogs fork out £x millions now with the possibility of building up a fan basis to make money in 5 or so years time. It is disgusting the way the Koppell and co have gone about things and alienating so many people in such a small space of time takes some doing.Perhaps if they had been honest from the start about the financial state of the club, being open and up front with all the facts then perhaps things would now be different.I go back to the issue that's it's a business and I have asked this question before and I don't think anyone gave an answer.If you were a business man, leaving passion etc out of it, would you invest £30 million up front and goodness knows how much each week into a business venture with little hope of getting a return? If you can answer that we don't have a problem.
Finally,has the identity of Edinburgh Don being revealed? In Tuesday's Y & B a letter by a Ms Jennifer Arnott of Edinburgh was published. ED are you Ms Arnott? If not does that mean we have a little fan base up in Edinburgh!!! As with some of ED's postings Ms Arnott's letter seems to suggest she knows a lot what's going on in the club and individual's personal views.In her letter, if you haven't read it, she goes on about turning against Robbie Earle because he wouldn't condemn MK. Neither did Dave Beasant nor Bobby Gould if I recall. Just because they have the nerve to express an opinion that doesn't go along with you own never forget what they did for Wimbledon. We have survived for as long as we have because of the efforts of people like them and turning against them just because of the honest view they express is pathetic.
wiltshire don
- Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 14:28:25 (PST)
PAul - I know, just corecting the unintentional impression you gave that the DT was dependent upon launch on 10th Feb 2002 at Wimbledon Theatre. Which incidentally will be a terrific event and all loyal supporters should get it in their diaries now and make sure they are there to become founder members. I was also making a point about active marketing, which I don't believe WFC do in good faith.
Nige (nigehiggs@yahoo.co.uk)
Wimbledon, - Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 12:55:45 (PST)
Nigel - Sorry I am well aware about all the good work that has been done with the "It's A Commuity Thing" postcards and the day when the bus went round Wimbledon I thought was really positive. The point I was getting at was that if all three groups can get together to work for Wimbledon Football Club the clubs fan base can only grow.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 12:27:17 (PST)
Hutch - Dont know if you are listening to the Charles Koppel interview on talksport but Charles has just said that on average we give out 800 tickets a game through FITC. Dont know if that answers your question or not.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 12:03:58 (PST)
PR - the fact that the DT doesn't launchuntil Feb 10th, hasn't stopped scores of us getting out in the local community and encouraging people to get behind us in the fight to stop MK. As well as leafletting we are asking local businesses, shops and pubs to put up posters and send in the "Its a Community Thing" postcard. The response is terrific and I'm sure some of those reached by this bottom-up marketing will be tempted to try out Smellhurts, just because we are actively promoting the Dons.
Nigel Higgs (nigehiggs@yahoo.co.uk)
Wimbledon, - Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 11:59:55 (PST)
The Real Hash - I know stu is away for a few days so if he doesn't respond dont jump to the conclussion that he is avoiding the subject.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 10:36:53 (PST)
Pete I agree that at the moment not many new fans are going to join us but I just hope that in the future the club can be built up with the help of our current fan base, wisa and The Dons Trust (once it has launched).
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 10:35:33 (PST)
Stuart D: so whats ur reaction to the ICM poll then (that stated clearly that 18,000 peopple would come to watch us regularly should we go back to Merton- not to mention those from Kingston, Wandworth, Sutton etc)???????
The Real Hash
- Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 09:36:33 (PST)
The problem I think we have at the moment is that everyone knows Charlie Koppel's little plan to kill the club.
If the club is trying to move 75 miles away, what point is there in starting to support it now? I think we're going to get very few new supporters until all this MK rubbish is dealt with. We need to be able to say 'If wimbledon came back to Merton, 18,000 people from merton would watch them regularly' (and thanks to WISA's poll, we can), but until they can be sure that the club isn't going to stab them in the back, they're not likely to invest any emotion in it.
Peter Bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
Wimbledon, Wimbledon Wimbledon - Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 09:11:17 (PST)
Paul - totally agree with all that, thinking about it thoughin footballs boom decade the nineties we were in the top flight the whole time we were also one of the most successful clubs in terms of league placings (bet we are in the top 8) we failed to capitalize on this by getting more people into our ground and I feel the fans who have stuck by the club are now being punished by previous mis-management! (which was 100 times better than the current set up!)
Hutch
- Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 08:37:21 (PST)
The chelsea kid is just it we can convert anyone and everyone if only we could get back to the merton area I'm sure that we would all work so hard to build up our fan base my only fear is what business man in the world is prepared to spend £25-40 million on the basis that in say 5 years time we might have a big fanbase the problem with football is the big question has the TV revenue reached it's peak when the next deal gets done will it be for the current high levels? I really dont want to sound defeatest but football has moved on from being a "chairman's" hobby to a business. lets hope BIG TIME i'm proved wrong and that we return to a home area and just look back on this as part of our famous history.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 08:30:05 (PST)
Paul - can't argue with that regarding the club shop - but if Chelsea fans will come and watch us who's to say that they can't be converted? (they probably don't ever go anyway) also if the club shop can get the word out why not stick posters up in centre court, elys, pubs etc - these are the sorts of things that a forward thinking club at the heart of it's community would be doing, very simple ideas to gain awareness whereas at the moment I think most would agree that current attempts are half hearted to say the least ie to advertise in your own shop or web site does not require WFC to do any PR or forge any relationships with the local community
Hutch
- Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 07:58:29 (PST)
Hutch - I agree this is a very good discussion and I want to make it clear please dont anyone thing that I am saying what the club does is right and these ideas are wrong or silly. The thing about the shop in Wimbledon is a lot of people go in their that havent even got a clue where we play they just know that we are a proffesional football club will a famous tradition. We had young people comming into the shop in Chelsea hats but asked their parents if they could go to the game. I know Football In The Community does a good job but I dont know what they do in terms of KFAQ.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 07:30:29 (PST)
Paul - as you well know a number of people will not enter the club shop (I am one of them), a number of people will not buy the official programnme (I am one of them), a lot of people will not go to the official site (I am one of them 99% of the time) and only supporters will visit your site normally. What I am saying is lets try to attract new fans and treat them as fans once they are in the dons fold. How many schools were there advertisements for Kids for a Quid? how many community centres, libraries, leisure centres etc etc. someone from the club could take a day or so to go round all the schools in the borough and get posters up as a start! advertising where only existing fans go is not the answer
Hutch (good discussion this Paul, anyone else care to join in?)
- Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 07:08:38 (PST)
Hutch - Agree with you about the Brentford game (but it wasn't a cup game. Brentford was one of the teams that I have mentioned in the past where they set a target for attendances for something to happen (I think that they said if an average of X was reached Y£ would be given to the manager to buy a player) with regards to the KFAQ publicty it was on the OS it was on here it was in the official programme I think it was in the Wimbledon News and flyers were produced and while I was in the club shop before christmas they were given out and a lot of people said right we will go along to that.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 06:12:49 (PST)
Paul - just using the Boro game as an example, I started going through free tickets from school and and after a few free tickets I was hooked and have now had a season ticket for 7 years.......Brentford recently had a match where every ticket was free - why don't we do something like that? the only place the last kids for a quid was advertised (AFAIK) was on the official site! what I am saying is that what the club are doing and have done is simply no where near good enough and if I can think of a few schemes and learn of a few others from other clubs why the hell are WFC not doing likeiwise - we know fans will not flock to see us we just need to give people a push!!
Hutch
- Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 05:55:02 (PST)
Hutch - No club in the country (AFAIK) gives out free cup tickets is duee to the fact that gate money for cup games is split something like 40% each team and 20% to the FA you could say well free tickets doesn't add to the gate money but in the eyes of FA they class them as full price tickets so not only would a % have to be given to the other team and FA but money would have to be paid to Ron Noades as per our normall agreement. I think you would be surprised about the number of free tickets that are given out through football in tthe community events. But building for the future has to be done due to being away from Merton for so long we have lost a complete generation of footbal fans at a time when the football sceene boomed.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 05:01:22 (PST)
Stuart D, saying that you have more chance of attracting young supporters against Arsenal than Grimsby is obvious but not trying to attract anyone at all is scandalous!!!! - why not give 5000 tickets to local schools for the match with Boro earlier this week - some might of liked what they saw and be back for Burnley this Saturday, instead they probably watched Chelsea v Spurs last night and want to go to Stamford Bridge instead - do you see what I mean? get kids hooked on going which doesn'yt take much and you have fans for life (unless they are treated like shit of course)
Hutch
- Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 03:55:31 (PST)
Do the residents care? Do they wants us back? Will they come and watch us? All the answers, and more, from an ICM Poll (they got the last general election correct within 2%) - see WISA News ICM Poll
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 02:09:01 (PST)
Well done for the email addresses Edinburgh Don - have just got 6 others and myself to send out a bunch of emails!
Jools
- Wednesday, January 09, 2002 at 15:34:20 (PST)
A donor session has been organised on behalf of the Anthony Nolan Bone Marrow Trust. It is booked for The Thomas Farley on Saturday 12th January 2002 from 11.30am to 2.30pm (the home match v Burnley). Special thanks go to Betty and David for agreeing to host the session in the function room and everyone at WISA for giving up the use of part of the room on the day.
Anyone interested in joining the register of potential Bone Marrow Donors and to give a blood sample on Saturday 12th January 2002, please contact Tim Hillyer on 07932 317044.
The Trust have an excellent web-site to answer most queries, which can be accessed at www.anthonynolan.org.uk or ring me.
Tim Hillyer (tim@carorg.co.uk)
- Wednesday, January 09, 2002 at 14:31:42 (PST)
Haydons Bridge Residents Association,report of the meeting of the 7th January total bollox, spokes person Ms Scregg employee of Brunswick please feel free to reply to their comments scregg@brunswickgroup.com let of a little steam state facts and be polite then wait for the reply
Annoyed
- Wednesday, January 09, 2002 at 09:21:28 (PST)
Hey! Finally got this internet thang worked out! Great site Paul, cheers for the bus info for last night, was totally screwed by the trains....couldn't we have moved the game 'til Wednesday? Anyway, I was walking past Sainsbury's after last nights game and heard a version of the 12 days of Christmas, but with WFC merchandise used instead. Anyone got a transcription (or whatever!) of it, I found what I heard of it pretty funny at the time and I'd love to hear the whole version. If anyone knows, can they e-mail me or post it here? Thanks!
Steve (stevedagnall@hotmail.com)
- Wednesday, January 09, 2002 at 08:04:32 (PST)
Advise? Brunswick do the PR for Haydons Bridge Residents!!!
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Wednesday, January 09, 2002 at 03:11:36 (PST)
From what I've heard of the so called residents meeting with CK, I think he's scored another own goal. If it is correct that he advised the locals on how to word a protest he has proved to the world that he has no intention of looking at a site in Merton. Yes, I know we knew but now the proof stands out. The arbitration panel will be aware and will have to take that into consideration. Then when they look at previous statements they will see the contradictions and note the, shall we say, " the truth, the whole truth and sometimes no truth."
TW
- Wednesday, January 09, 2002 at 02:54:37 (PST)
So who will watch us? You've heard us say that people would watch the dons if we returned home - and now you can see why we said it. The Evening Standard today released the first details of the ICM Poll (they got last Gen Election right) conducted to gather the views of residents of Merton and surrounding area. Guess what? They want us back. See WISA news for the article and soon the actual results of the poll (ES have exclusive rights atm).
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Wednesday, January 09, 2002 at 02:05:44 (PST)
Martin - I do know who you are and have no problem with you or many other WISA people what I do have a problem with is the people that come on here hide behind names and non-existent e-mail address just to slag off people who use this board. I always welcome open disscussion on issues but also feel that just because people dont agree with someone else on an issue that person A position is the right one. Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 15:25:58 (PST)
As promised: 1)Ken Livingstone, Mayor for London: mayor@london.gov.uk. 2)Rt.Hon Tessa Jowell, Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport: tessa.jowell@culture.gov.uk. 3)Rt.Hon Richard Caborn, Minister for Sport: richard.caborn@culture.gov.uk You can also write to them (or any MP, of course)at House of Commons, London SW1A 0AA. It's got to be worth writing to these people, your letter/email will be read and you will get a reply. I know Caborn is sympathetic to our case from a previous reply - though he believed the FL had dealt with it, time to tell him otherwise. Remember to keep badgering your own MP too.
Edinburgh Don (edinburghdon@yahoo.co.uk)
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 13:48:19 (PST)
Paul R: Please don't shut the guestbook ;o) I'm sorry if some of the posts get abusive, but I believe everyone has the right to express their opinion. And saying that, on the subject of you (and others) working in the club shop, surely that is the root cause of (almost) all the arguments and abuse on here, so it's very difficult to say "don't discuss it, case closed" as it were. I don't know if you know me, Paul, but I have always treated everyone who still works for WFC with courtesy and respect as even though I find your position virtually incomprehensible I would not want to lose our club's enviable tradition of supporter friendliness. I am saddened and appalled at the way this club is run at the moment, and I find today's news simply unbelievable.
Martin Drake (martin_drake@hotmail.com)
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 08:40:57 (PST)
My response to Wiltshire Don's response to my post!!!: Yes, the people of Wimbledon are apathetic towards the football club. Have you ever asked yourself why this is? Or how we can change this? Perhaps going to see a local residents' association and encouraging and empowering them to STOP a move back to the borough will help? That is what Koppel has just done, whereas the supporters are out in freezing temperatures over the holiday season campaigning and leafletting. *IF* WFC move to MK there will a huge area of this country's population WITHOUT a local league team. Most intelligent businessmen would regard this as a massive opportunity not an excuse to move. Where do you think Chelsea and Fulham's new fans have come from? Both those teams have had their average gates more than double over the last ten years because A) they are successful B) they try to attract people. We only got a club shop in Wimbledon recently FFS!
Martin Drake (martin_drake@hotmail.com)
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 08:27:47 (PST)
My response to Wiltshire Don's response to my post!!!: Yes, the people of Wimbledon are apathetic towards the football club. Have you ever asked yourself why this is? Or how we can change this? Perhaps going to see a local residents' association and encouraging and empowering them to STOP a move back to the borough will help? That is what Koppel has just done, whereas the supporters are out in freezing temperatures over the holiday season campaigning and leafletting. *IF* WFC move to MK there will a huge area of this country's population WITHOUT a local league team. Most intelligent businessmen would regard this as a massive opportunity not an excuse to move. Where do you think Chelsea and Fulham's new fans have come from? Both those teams have had their average gates more than double over the last ten years because A) they are successful B) they try to attract people. We only got a club shop in Wimbledon recently FFS!
Martin Drake (martin_drake@hotmail.com)
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 08:25:41 (PST)
Hutch, we were well on the way to attracting the kids , but unfortunatly relegation from the premiership is suicide in todays football. You have more chance attracting them when you play Arsenal than Grimsby
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 06:36:08 (PST)
Stuart - had we started a long term marketing strategy when we got into the premier and aimed for say 500 new season ticket holders per season (7 and 8 year olds then would be in a position to buy their own tickets by now) which I think is fairly realistic, we would of had 7500 extra season ticket holders by now - that would be just over 10000 regulars, we could still acheive this by going back to Plough Lane although it would take time it would be well worth it, consider the catchment area we are in - much bigger than MK
Hutch
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 06:33:44 (PST)
Hutch, I agree totally with you that once we are back in the borough hopefully PL, a strong marketing campain should result in us getting 10000+. Im glad you mentioned only 10000+ because I think that is a very realistic figure. RICKO. Trust me I did not intent to slag of you and others for ditributing leaflets, far from it. I was just pointing out that anyone can say these things whilst shopping in Wimbledon, but get them to put their money in their pocket and IMO most of them would say not today. I know what you mean about travelling to Selhurst for a midweek game against Grimsby with all the changing trains, but look at another way. Say for arguments sake we use Barnsley, they may think the same about playing Wimbledon midweek, and say some could live in Sheffield or the surrounding areas, I bet most of them would travel by train or drive to see the game IF THEY WANTED TO. I make be a shit example but Im just trying to say in short that we have a small fan base regardless or where we play. The major thing is that with a home grounf in the borough, we stand more chance of attracting and keeping them. Also we stand more chance being in the premiership, but lets not get to greedy!!! Is it me or do you feel like it is a normal cup tie tonight. I mean we are playing a premiership club, so I should be excited, but Middlesborough are such a boring premiership team and I will be not suprised if we beat them. Should I really think this way???
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 06:09:02 (PST)
So Koppell is trying to appeal to the 'not in my backyard' brigade. A cheap move, and not particularly unpredictable. How can he complain about the FL panel being influenced by the fans letters, and then try to pull stunts like that? Following from what Brighton said earlier, it's not just the arbitration people we need to get on to - get writing to people in the Dept. for Media, sport and Culture - I'll put the contact details on later (don't have them to hand) or find them via the commons website.
Edinburgh Don
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 05:50:06 (PST)
Paul - your post should be enough to get people off your back re: working in the club shop (ie if WFC go to MK there will be no need for a site), that should be enough to show people your stance! Tired Womble - if you wanted the club you claim to support to move away for the sake of one fellow supporter you would run out of club's very soon, don't you realise one of the special things about supporting WFC is that people from all walks of life can come together for a common reason - no-where does it work so well. Stuart don't you think that a return to Plough Lane along with a solid marketing strategy for gaining new support over 10-15 years would see us tap into a massive catchment area and eventuaslly give us 10000+ regulars?
Hutch
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 05:26:26 (PST)
Paul. Firstly let me apologise to you if my post has caused offence but I will not completely retract my statement. You only have to look at this and other related sites to see how personal and abusive CERTAIN PEOPLE have been! Obviously I have no wish to see the club I have supported for 14 years uprooted and removed but nor do I wish to see it die either. However, no matter what problems ANY football club has, it does not need the sort of fans I have mentioned!
Can you honestly say my post is any more offensive than some of the ones you've recieved in the past?
Again, my apologies to you, but to you only.
Tired Womble (frustrated at certain people in our ranks)
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 05:23:23 (PST)
To Tired Womble I dont know who you are you can e-mail me if you want. The talk of it would be good for the club to move just to get rid of a supporter is STUPID and think you should apologies. If a move was to happen it no good saying we would be able to continue chatting on here due to the fact it would be more than likley that the site would shut in one way or another. BRIGHTON WOMBLE can I ask that you treat that post with the contempt it deserves. AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE IF THE SLAGGING OFF DOESN'T STOP I WILL SHUT THE GUESTBOOK.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 04:57:08 (PST)
Tired Womble, if you want to go and watch a club in Milton Keynes, then go. I can't believe that you'd rather see a club, MY club (possibly yours?) die, than have to read opinions that you don't agree with.
Peter Bowles (peter@wisa.org.uk)
Wimbledon, Wimbledon Wimbledon - Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 04:50:15 (PST)
Stuart- leafletting- the proof is in the pudding, yes. But what else can we do at the moment? An ICM poll, the results of which will be released later this week, also suggests that Wimbledon residents want the Dons back home. I get your point about travelling to Selhurst and fans travelling across cities but we're talking here about POTENTIAL fans. TBH, I'm not sure I'd want to change trains to go and watch a club in crisis stranded in the rear-end of Croydon play against Grimsby if I didn't already support us. We can debate all we like about whether fans would come back if we were at PL. I could quote personal examples of people I know but if a poll and 'words' won't prove it, I guess this won't help either. You predict that more people would not go and watch WFC if we were in Wimbledon; how does this help? I've already explained why I don't think we would necessarily get more people in MK than in SW19. You either want WFC home or you don't. I'm proud of this club- we've never had the most fans but I want it home where it belongs and then to take it from there. The Man United home tie (I'll assume we'll get past Boro cos all the press are acting as if the tie's already been played, if the other way!) got me thinking. If we were in Wimbledon, we would sell this tie out these days. Say a 20,800 seater stadium at PL. How many tickets do you think we would give to away fans? Because I'm sure that we'd get a lot more local residents coming along to 'support' us and watch a good game of football than we do in Palace-land. Maybe even just give Man U their minimum cup allocation? Yes, we'd get muppets in the 'home' end but how many of these and the 'neutrals' or 'locals' will grow up as Dons fans?
Ricko (theangrybear@hotmail.com)
TW, - Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 04:43:47 (PST)
The more I read of the moronic ramblings of "Brighton Womble" and those of similar, blinkered persuasions, the more I feel that perhaps the move to MK might not be such a bad idea after all. Then at least he might bugger off to annoy someone like Al Fayed or Bates instead and leave the rest of us to enjoy sensible, CIVILISED debates on here without the constant, mindless abuse.
Tired Womble. (Too many "fans" acting like five year olds!)
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 04:34:25 (PST)
Right everyone this is our chance to stand together wether you have supported the Dons for 2 weeks or 22 years work in the Club Shop or sell Y&B, following Koppellls total bollox at his meeting with the Wimbledon Residents get Emailing Mr Dan Tench at DJT@olswang.com to express your disgust and anyone else that you can think of
Wibbly Don
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 02:56:23 (PST)
I agree that the late kick off didn't help but that doesn't excuse any of the hooligan element. As for Sam, he's still a disgrace. He knew exactly what he was doing and the possible consequences. Right now football, for various reasons, is doing a good job on making sure that future generations will think twice before following soccer. The current crop of misbehaving players are doing a total diservice to all the hard working, honest proffessionals in the game. Mindless morans are putting down every good and true supporter. Unfortunately the media ensures that the general public think the game is full of beer fuelled louts.
TW
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 02:52:31 (PST)
On a football note, what did everyone think about the Cardiff-Leeds riots??? I for one think the police and the FA were very unwise to give it a 4pm kick off. I know it was on Sky, but surely they could off kicked it off at 12pm to stop the already volitile Cardiff fans going on the booze. Sam as usual winds up the fans of Leeds and puts the Cardiff fans into a frenzy with his pre match Manic Street Preachers music with sheep noises inserted. Knowing what Sam did here, he probally did worse at Wimbledon, problem is that you are talking about a whole new bread of fans at Cardiff and he has to be careful!!!! I went to Cardiff when we played them in the League cup a couple of years ago and there was only 6000+ fans there that night but it was still the scariest experience of my travelling days, so god knows what it was like with 20000+ and sam winding them up even more!!
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 01:37:38 (PST)
Interesting to hear about the ditribution of leaflets in Wimbledon. I imagine it would give you a lift, but I still stand by what I said recently, that talk is cheap and even though these people say they would come if we go back to merton, I say the proof is in the pudding!!!! Im not being funny, but if your a fan 6 miles from Wimbledon to Selhust is not such a big deal nowadays. In big cities such as Derby, Bolton and Middlesbrough you could be double that distance and people will still travel. The support was poor before we left Pl so it wont be any different when we get back. The only thing which will be different hopefully is that we will have shiny new stadium of our own and a future which in time could attract new fans and also the youngsters which are our future. Just a final note, Paul has already said not to waste you online time speaking about his decision, but as usual people dont listen, been the problem all along!! Talk about football and of course MK issues, but his personal decision is his and his only!!
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 01:32:17 (PST)
Club shop employees, take note of Ronans link this is the calibre of the bastard that you are supporting for gods sake waken up to what you are doing
ANGRY
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 00:59:42 (PST)
DO THIS NOW....(sorry for link Paul) http://www.wisa.org.uk/other/mpemail/index.html
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Tuesday, January 08, 2002 at 00:41:23 (PST)
READ THIS NOW - EXCLUSIVE http://www.wisa.org.uk
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 19:20:05 (PST)
i stood in wimbledon outside centre court for three hours on saturday, and the response gave me the lift i needed. so many people came up to us and said that they stopped going when they moved to selhurst, and that the club belong here, in wimbledon not milton arse, and not in croydon. if you were there you would know.
clair
purley, - Monday, January 07, 2002 at 16:25:10 (PST)
Interestingly, having taken part in some of the leafleting done in Merton, the local population seem VERY enthusiastic and not only back our campaign against MK but want us back. Ask ANY of the people who have taken part in it, and they'll tell you how amazing the response has been. I recommend it to you. It lifts the spirits.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
You'd be surprised just how popular we are!, - Monday, January 07, 2002 at 15:24:46 (PST)
A reply to Martin Drake's last post. Inadventantly you have hit the nail right on the head and summed up what this whole thing boils down to. He says ..."apathetic citizens of Wimbledon to actively support their local team..." Well thats the problem isn't it, they are apathetic and always have been ( in general anyway) and no doubt Koppell and his cronies came to that conclusion ages ago. Sorry Martin but you said it not me.Finally,full marks to everyone doing leaflet drops, anything to get up peoples awareness.
wiltshire don
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 15:15:09 (PST)
Paul as you say, "quit working in the shop but at present that just wont happen and I hope that will be the end of the matter" that could well be the end of the matter!! we are guaranteed another 11 home games then who knows what will happen, to-morrow could be the very last cup game of WIMBLEDON FC, but you people still do not see that you are contributing to our demise by supporting Koppell I do not feel any anger against you just utter disbelief that you do not realise what you are doing, I only hope that you still have a job and can afford the travel to your temporary stadium in Milton Keynes for the 2002-2003 season
dissapointed
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 14:45:02 (PST)
Paul as you say,
dissapointed
USA - Monday, January 07, 2002 at 14:44:43 (PST)
James, I don't even know Niall. I've spoken to him once. Certain of you lot are so childish. I don't resort to playground taunts, but in your efforts to slate me, you have to resort to that. I didn't get voted onto OWFF because 1) I didn't join and, as a result 2) I didn't stand. As a matter of fact, I do enjoy some elements of this campaign, yes. Mainly because of the way it's brought people together (mostly) and because it has stimulated a debate never really had between our supporters. I would never take this sort of thing any further. Ok, so I ask loads of questions about people's motives etc etc., but if you don't like that, respond with something better than a load of insults.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 12:14:55 (PST)
Hold Up a minute whats gone on here. lets get a few things straight 1) I dont give a monkeys if person a has been supporting the club for 1 minute or 113 years ALL OF OUR SUPPORTERS ARE VALUABLE. 2) Please dont go throwing abuse at each other via this guestbook. It should never be a case of them and us I thought we were all on the same side in wanting to support OUR CLUB. (And if anyone want to post we would be on the same side if you didn't work in the club shop etc I would ask that they dont bother wasting their online time) I accept that a number of people who post in here want me and others to quit working in the shop but at present thats not going to happen and I hope that will be the end of the matter. Thanks.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, January 07, 2002 at 11:01:41 (PST)
Ronan, I am with you... I have 'only' been a season ticket holder for 6 seasons. Never attended Plough Lane (except for some reserves)
Hate the insinuation that someone selling a programme on a Saturday and sitting in their seats that have cost them 30 pieces of silver! is somehow more of a fan than I am...just because they have been going for 20 years...
Yorkie (matthew.york@btinternet.com)
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 09:56:20 (PST)
Ronan, I am with you... I have 'only' been a season ticket holder for 6 seasons. Never attended Plough Lane (except for some reserves)
Hate the insinuation that someone selling a programme on a Saturday and sitting in their seats that have cost them 30 pieces of silver!
Yorkie (matthew.york@btinternet.com)
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 09:55:29 (PST)
And finally - nice to see BRG has finally put his foot in it and explained the £8m (£20k a day) 'loss' we are making. I never believed it in the first place - but nice to be proved right all the same.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 09:43:47 (PST)
Last FA Cup match ever? Tomorrow may see the last Wimbledon FC FA Cup match. EVER.
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 09:42:19 (PST)
Why has length of service in being a dons fan hold any weight in any conversation regarding saving the club? Give me somebody who has supported the club for one year and works their ass off rather than anyone who is fourth generation dons fan, has been going for 40 years and does nothing (or worse - helps the move).
Ronan (rgwarde@ukgateway.net)
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 09:41:14 (PST)
I see that the big surprise from Stevenage Borough was that they are going "interactive" on Channel 4. You can pick the team(by vote I suppose)etc,etc. I know all supporters think they can manage but is this going a bit too far?
TW
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 09:38:05 (PST)
Marcus, you have got to be a wind up!!! nuf said
Wibbly Don
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 06:50:04 (PST)
Brighton Womble has been a fan for longer than 12 years AFAIK. His family used to live about 1/2 mile from Plough Lane and we leafletted his old house a couple of weekends ago. As for writing a self-important article on his contribution, I doubt he'd bother. It's up to those concerned to do the right thing. Personally I know that if it were either me or him who worked for the club we would have resigned (as Chris Philips did) but I fully understand that not everyone has the same fortunate support of family and friends to back us up. If anyone on here would like to help publicise the Dons Trust and encourage the apathetic citizens of the Wimbledon area to actually support their local team, please email me as we are leafletting a lot at the moment. Over the last few weeks we have delivered well over 10,000 leaflets and desperately need people all over SW London to help.
Martin Drake (martin_drake@hotmail.com)
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 06:35:37 (PST)
So, Man Utd at Selhurst if we beat 'Boro on Tuesday (would like a replay at the Riverside, if you don't mind chaps!). I bet Charlie Koppell is rubbing his grubby little hands - it's probably the first time he has actually been bothered if we win or not!
Edinburgh Don (edinburghdon@yahoo.co.uk)
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 06:25:11 (PST)
Who is this Brighton Womble? He seems to have caused quite a stir in here anyway!! I've never heard of him, and by the sounds of it, I am glad I haven't!! Sounds like he should be a Tottenham fan! Thats Stuart Deacons sounds like a good guy though, I think people should give the club shop people a break and put all their energy into k*****g Koppell.
Marcus
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 05:24:04 (PST)
MArtin Drake, I will take your word for it, I thought he was only about 20-25, it was only by the way he acted so imature on here mind you. Its good to see that he is a loyal fan of 12 years as that show dedication to the cause. I heard some people mention at a WISA meeting that Paul has supported the team for over 15 years, Stuart for over 10 years and Chris for about 5 years or more. So if people on here gat fed up on here and black ball him, then maybe he should show some respect to them!!! I think that they are mad anyway still working in the shop with all that abuse, but my thinking is that they are in a no win situation and maybe stay in the shop to stick 2 fingers up at the people who want them to quit. Could you imagine if they did quit, Brighton Womble would write an article in Y & B claiming he finally made them quit and how his head will not get through the entrance in the Farley
James Brown Snr
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 05:14:01 (PST)
Stu stop bullshitting you r such a whore!! I heard u charge hundreds for a bit of slap and tickle then give your money to Koppell!!!
James
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 05:00:58 (PST)
Clarification, I have never been called a prostitute before!!! I normally go looking for them rather than offering my services. Think what you like, If you cant be bothered to put your real name, then I wont bother getting worried about your comments. HAPPY EASTER
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 04:57:03 (PST)
In defence of Brighton Womble (who I have know for about 12 years) he is a committed and passionate Wimbledon fan and has been his whole life. He does a lot of good work for WISA and no one in WISA regards him as a disruptive influence (so stop trying to black-ball him) On the subject of people working for the club, it's their choice. I think they're wrong, but so what? I'm not going to hurl abuse or threaten them about it. IF the arbitration goes against us, then by their actions we shall see if they are "real" supporters of WIMBLEDON football club.
Martin Drake (martin_drake@hotmail.com)
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 04:54:34 (PST)
I cant beleive it, BW makes himself look more of an arse then ever!!!! In the farley recently I overheard people commenting what a fool he was and how he walked around owning the place because he was Niall from yellow and blues bum chum. When this thing is finished and we go back to Plough Lane he will just be a nornal fan like the rest of us. Why was he not voted on the OWFF commitee, oh sorry people I answered my own question!!!
James Brown
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 04:53:27 (PST)
Hi everyone,
Look I know that BW is a very annoying young man but we should all stop this fighting! Shouldn't we be going for Koppell instead of each other?
Damon
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 04:52:06 (PST)
I totally agree J.W! It is about time someone told this BW guy what an idiot he is sounding! I actually think he enjoys all this Milton Keynes stuff! But I think he should just be ignored, he just sounds like a bitter old man with not much of a life.
Warren
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 04:14:16 (PST)
Is it just me or is everyone getting sick of the ramblings of Brighton Womble? Who does the guy think he is? I have spoken to people in WISA and even they say he is not helpful to the cause and just prefers slagging people off, when actually he is causing more unrest then anyone. We do not need "fans" like this and I am not alone in this thought! Brighton go and support Spurs or something!!
J.W.
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 04:04:07 (PST)
Rowley, oh my god even more money for the evil one
Clarification
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 02:47:12 (PST)
Clarification - I paid £2 for mine!
Rowley Birkin QC
- Monday, January 07, 2002 at 02:22:55 (PST)
Stuart, then stop trying to explain yourself. We've all drawn our own conclusions.
Brighton Womble (brightonwomble@hotmail.com)
- Sunday, January 06, 2002 at 15:14:24 (PST)
Stuart, you already sound like Koppell, "nobody is listening to me" trust me we are and read the posts we all agree you are a complete Koppell arse licker keep selling your merchandise and lining his pockets you are killing our club with every programme and every 50p car sticker that you sell, you are a prostitute for that pimp Koppell
Clarification
- Sunday, January 06, 2002 at 14:33:14 (PST)
Seen plenty of posts on this, put many about myself. I do have sympathy with the people who have taken jobs with the club and now find themselves in this situation. Still my one overriding question would be...
How can you maintain your job with the club _and_ still be anti-MK??
You are silent players in Koppel's killing of this club. If you can state a reason why you feel this is wrong then fine. I have seen no answers from any KOPPEL EMPLOYEES on here that justifies your stance.
P.S. This only applies to the Part-time workers who could very easily get a job elsewhere.
Yorkie (matthew.york@btinternet.com)
- Sunday, January 06, 2002 at 11:59:02 (PST)
maybe if you resign from the club shop people will stop slagging you off. and as Hash said, u dont have to just quit. get a new job and then quit.
mister
- Sunday, January 06, 2002 at 07:47:22 (PST)
Just to everyone out there, as I have been told on here many a time, I will never win and to be honest it bores the FCUK out of me explaining things because peopleonly hear what they want to hear!! I hve quite a clear contious and also I always post under my real name why do people who want to slag me of NEVER. See you Tuesday
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Sunday, January 06, 2002 at 06:36:33 (PST)
Stuart I respect that lots of your mates do not belong to WISA due to other commitments ect, but THEY are not taking an ACTIVE part in supplying the funds that Koppell needs by encouraging the customers to buy merchandise, whereas YOU work in the shop YOUR mates dont, YOU sell the merchandise, YOUR mates dont, YOU sell the programmes, YOUR mates dont, whichever way you look at it YOU are an accomplice in the MURDER of Wimbledon FC, as Wibbly Don stated earlier, if your only reason for working in the shop is to take money from Koppell via a free ticket for the match, this is a very poor excuse
Clarification
- Sunday, January 06, 2002 at 03:12:27 (PST)
Nigel Higgs, thanks for the response to my previous post. As you will probally of noticed it was a straight reply to The Real Deal ( sorry Hash) who had called me (In his high position) not a real fan. Its good to see that you can put your point across without being rude or arrogant, Thanks. I know many of my mates who through no fault of their own, ie: work, other commitments, dont acctivly join in WISA orrganised protests but feel just as strong about not moving. Do you class them in that same catagory?
Stuart Deacons (stuart@sdeacons.fsnet.co.uk)
- Sunday, January 06, 2002 at 01:17:18 (PST)
D O N S
R U L E
O K
Love you guys for all you're doing, keep up your support, even if Coppel does get his own way!
not me (http://www.donsruleok.com)
California U S A - Saturday, January 05, 2002 at 13:18:39 (PST)
Stuart - I am one who considers that the shop workers should find themselves another job and resign from Koppel's evil empire. I don't get annoyed or angry about it, I just feel betrayed. In reply to your other specifc points, 2) to try to persuade them that their actions are wrong and offer suport to the people trying to steal our club. 3) They give support to those people and by their, at least, non-committal approach to the crisis engulfing the club, act against those who are trying everything in their power to prevent the theft and removal to MK. 3) "they'd have thrown away jobs that they love doing for NO reason!!" the reason would be that they HELPED to stop the move. "Them quitting will not stop us going to MK" it might, "which is the priority here" well some of us think so. 4) I don't doubt they support the team, but they don't support the fight against MK - not in my opinion anyway.
Nigel Higgs (nigehiggs@yahoo.co.uk)
Wimbledon, - Saturday, January 05, 2002 at 12:26:07 (PST)
The Anthony Nolan Bone Marrow Trust
At this time of year, the thoughts of many of us go out to those who are bereaved or whose family or friends have received news of illness or injury of loved ones.
In most cases all we can offer is support and encouragement. For one particular group though, there is a positive action that many of us can take which will give hope for a chance to restore a long and fulfilling life.
Every year over 4,000 people in the U. K. have their life shattered by devastating news – that they have LEUKAEMIA.
For many patients without a family match, volunteer bone marrow donors offer the ONLY CHANCE OF LIFE.
Football supporters are a perfect group from which potential donors can be drawn. The primary deficit in the register of potential donors is males 18-43 years old and in good health. Individuals from ethnic and racial minorities are particularly required due to a severe shortage.
The perfect time to bring together this group is of course MATCHDAY, in the hours before kick-off.
A donor session has been organised on behalf of the Anthony Nolan Bone Marrow Trust. It is booked for The Thomas Farley on Saturday 12th January 2002 from 11.30am to 2.30pm (the home match v Burnley). Special thanks go to Betty and David for agreeing to host the session in the function room and everyone at WISA for giving up the use of part of the room on the day.
Anyone interested in joining the register of potential Bone Marrow Donors and to give a blood sample on Saturday 12th January 2002, please contact Tim Hillyer on 07932 317044.
The Trust have an excellent web-site to answer most queries, which can be accessed at www.anthonynolan.org.uk or ring me.
Tim Hillyer (tim@carorg.co.uk)
- Saturday, January 05, 2002 at 11:22:29 (PST)
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