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Paul - thanks for letting us know the words to the "Terry Eames is Magic" song. Ken told me what he thought the words were and he was slightly wrong! He thought it was "and when we formed AFC..." and "he swears when we're winning, he swears when we're shite"! Not a lot different to the true words, I suppose, but if we choose to sing it along with everyone else, it'd be a good idea to sing the same words! Thanks for that! Tel's got a good sense of humour too - when the crowd started singing it at one point, Terry - who was in front of us - looked up at everyone with a smile on his face and said something like "don't start singing that - I'm not wearing a hat!" Magic!
Debs (Debs_73@hotmail.com)
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 23:12:13 (PDT)
Dont know if this is true and I apologise if this has already been talked about. Remember Small-King from Wallingford? According to my brother, he has been "sacked" from the Wallies because he played for a Sunday team when he should not have. If this is true, he could be a good target!
mark leadon
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 13:22:57 (PDT)
Whether you like it or not, swearing is part and parcel of football. It always has been and always will be. However, when I heard the champaign song for the first time, I remember thinking "thats poor". It just did not seem funny. The other chant which I hated was "Nigel, Nigel" for Winterburn! Thought we should have got a better one for him all those years ago!
What about chants we like. I used to like "Harry Bassetts drunk and disorderlies" and Bobby Gould's "big bushey eyebrows". Much more witty. Liked the song that goes on for ages that Celtic sing too - has the line "and if you know your history", etc. We dont sing that much now. The anti MK song at the moment I enjoy too!
Massive John
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 12:52:56 (PDT)
Many thanks paul
DON4
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 10:02:11 (PDT)
Paul, thanks for the message on O/S. Certainly was not having a go at Marc Jones and like all teh voluteers has done a hell of a job but it is just that many of us out of London Supporters, especially who go regularly, are totally reliant on the internet.
Richard B another Wiltshire Don
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 09:59:17 (PDT)
The words to the Terry Eames is magic song is as follows - Terry Eames is magic he wears a magic hat, and when we started AFC he said I'm having that, he swears wwhen we are average, he swears when we are (not very good), and when we win the CCL he'll swear all through the night. - I am sure you can work out I have changed a few of the words.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 09:49:44 (PDT)
Richard - about the O/S Marc Jones who does the official site moved house two weeks ago he was promised tele worst connection on the day he moved in but got it this Monday. This week he has been doing crazily doing Y&B as well as trying to earn some money from his own self employed job. Regarding no-updates Marc went into the AFC offices every day last week (including good Friday)to make sure the site was updated including parking information for the rpv game that raised £500 for the stadium fund. The only things missing from the o/s are two match reports (this weekends) a match reaction. and to update some of the player profiles. People have to realise the difference between an official and unofficial site in theory I can say what I like the club could come to me and say we dont like that but what goes on the o/s has to be 100% accurate or the club could get in big trouble. Marc does a brilliant job and people should realise he is one of the many unpaid people at AFCW.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 07:58:28 (PDT)
Paul, You know everything about everything. What has happened to the Official site? It has not been updated for a week and seemingly for the last couple of months the information has been very disappointing. This puts extra pressure on you are yours is the only fully up to date site. The Official site looks very sad and surely not how the club should be portraying itself. I have tried to contact them but without any luck.
Richard B another Wiltshire Don
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 07:45:40 (PDT)
Can anybody give me the lyrics to terry eames is magic;And on the subject of the champaigne song i think its s****
DON4 (Celine Dion should be shot)
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 07:43:19 (PDT)
Debs, Isn't that for Eamsie to worry about? Now about that song .....
Komarca Don
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 06:39:47 (PDT)
For God's sake, what a can of worms has been opened re the vile champagne song! Shall we drop the subject now?! Let's concentrate on how we're going to win the remaining games of the season.
Debs (Debs_73@hotmail.com)
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 06:10:15 (PDT)
CD - Here here, completly agree.
2Shirts (warren.harvey@sainsburys.co.uk)
Also a steward for AFC, - Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 05:00:00 (PDT)
As a volunteer steward for AFCW, I would like to point out that there is FAR worse language and much more graphic insults used on a regular basis at KM than those contained within the "unfunny" lyrics of the Champaigne Song. There will never be an agreement on whether it is appropriate or funny as it is very much ironical (how many people who sing it actually snort cocaine FFS) - much like much of Eminem's material - and you either recognise that or take offence. But rather than get too hung up about it, please help us by pointing out those who spout really offensive garbage so that we can start to clean up our act. On a side note, I would also like to mention that I hear far more swearing and (particularly) homophobic comments coming from kids and young teenagers than from any adult in our crowd - make of that what you will.
Chalfont Don
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 04:23:29 (PDT)
Re kids and swearing. With 2 kids myself age 2 and 4 and yet to make their first kingsmeadow visit I suppose I worry about bad language.Coming back from Selhurst a few years ago by train to London Bridge, the Millwall poured out and onto our carriage, singing as loud as possible. It went quiet after a while until this huge bloke egged on his 2 kids age around 5-6 to sing. The time honoured lament burst forth. 'My old man said be a West Ham fan, I said F***off, B*llox you're a c**t'. AND this coming from kids so young. Naturally I told him what I thought of his behaviour.....well, perhaps I didn't and actually laughed in disbelief at what I'd just heard. I'm not suggesting we are similar to Millwalls hardcore support but it is a problem. Perhaps a family enclosure, complete with ear muffs?. Or are we just being too precious.
(Apologies Paul for bleeped language)
Johnny Proud
SW19, - Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 04:20:38 (PDT)
A Fan - so do you agree with the following "If you don't like it then you might be better suited to following the Harlequins or Surrey CCC." for the record the CS did have it time I dont think its appropriate at most grounds teams we play.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 03:30:51 (PDT)
I swear, I try to make as much noise and give as much support as I can. I personally feel that the atmosphere is quite as great as people make out except when there is a roof i.e. at Woking. I would not expect to tell anyone to stop singing, I am not trying to convince you I am right you are wrong, but just feel that it is a very negative song that personally I could do without. Sing it if you want but if like me you come away all without a voice left after a game at least you could have done it with more direct support for the team. In the end I would rather any noise rather than some of the funerals we have played at away from home this season...and as for away to Coventry a few years ago I have never st with so many people who were so unanimated.
Richard B another Wiltshire Don
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 03:23:14 (PDT)
In case you havent heard the SHL beat the Rymans in the 95th Senior (Middx) Charity Cup final last night. Well the Mighty ones (Feltham) actually beat Northwood 2-0 in a great match. Interestingly Northwood have just been promoted from the 1st to the Ryman Premier Division.
Mighty Feltham Fan (life on plastic its fantastic ;-) )
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 03:21:08 (PDT)
OK, so because you don't like the song or think it is amusing, other people have to share your view? Anything else you would like 3,000 people to agree with you on? What do you suggest we do? Ban people from singing it? Anyone care to say how this would be enforced? What a load of nonsense. If you don't like it, say something to people or move somewhere else in the ground.
A fan
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 02:46:17 (PDT)
The thing is, everyone swears and you're not going to be able to stop anyone doing it, theres 3,000 or so people there, the massive vocal support given to the Dons is making them play better and the other teams can't handle it, if we got rid of this song we would have to get rid of every little song with a swear word in it, including my favourite, Terry Eames is magic. Plus I think the song's quality, and it's not like it's new though anyway, it's always been sung, I remember it being around from before.
Wazza
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 02:33:33 (PDT)
The thing is, everyone swears and you're not going to be able to stop anyone doing it, theres 3,000 or so people there, the massive vocal support given to the Dons is making them play better and the other teams can't handle it, if we got rid of this song we would have to get rid of every little song with a swear word in it, including my favourite, Terry Eames is magic. Plus I think the song's quality, and it's not like it's new though anyway, it's always been sung, I remember it being around from before.
Wazza
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 02:33:28 (PDT)
This song. Have'nt seen so much debate about anything on this site before. It is not the offense it causes but that some people actually think it is amusing and it is patently NOT, it not not add support for the team as it is a rambling mumble of a song and has the style of Millwall and Chelsea all over it.
Richard B another Wiltshire Don
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 02:09:37 (PDT)
So let's get this straight. People want other people to stop singing a song they don't like and post their complaints on an internet guestbook? Perhaps actually asking the people at the game to stop it would be a better idea? Or perhaps try moving to another part of the ground to protect their tender ears and those of their terribly impressionably children? And I bet any money that all the people moaning about it hardly make a sound at matches. Seems a bit rich to have a go at those that do!
A fan
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 02:05:37 (PDT)
Please remember, times have changed and it's no longer just men who go to football - women enjoy it just as much and there are loads of us! Glad that at least some other people don't like the song. Oh and as regards men swearing, don't forget there are plenty of children at the matches too. One kid behind me at one of the matches was told off by his dad for joining in with the song - how can we expect kids not to when adults are singing it?!
Debs
- Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 01:10:07 (PDT)
The Champaign song is terrible in my opinion - not because it is offensive (although it clearly seems to)but because its so embarrassingly unfunny.
alan
- Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 14:28:34 (PDT)
Fan of the CS - thanks for your input I think it says a lot.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 14:25:11 (PDT)
Have to say, In the last few weeks new verses have been catching on to the 'champagne' song which arent so 'offensive'. Have to say I like it anyway.
Lisa
- Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 13:38:39 (PDT)
Tell you what, if you want an alternative to the Champagne song then here's an idea...stop complaining about it and start up an original ditty of your own. Nope? The fact is that the Champagne Song is one of the funniest non-spontaneous songs that you'll hear at football as most newbies attending piss themselves when hearing it. It's football, blokes swear A LOT! If you don't like it then you might be better suited to following the Harlequins or Surrey CCC.
Fan of the CS
- Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 12:43:33 (PDT)
I totally agree with Komarca Don about the Champagne song. I'd like to hear a new one with inoffensive lyrics which could also be comical and associated with AFCW. Besides, us women can't sing the Champagne Song - for obvious reasons!
Debs (Debs73)
- Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 12:14:05 (PDT)
SW20 Don - apart from the fact that "that song" is rather offensive, it is extremely unfunny and boorish. Maybe you and your friends should think of something a little bit more witty?
Komarca Don
- Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 10:36:52 (PDT)
RichardB, The Wallies site states the att as 165 which lines up with Paul's account.
Komarca Don
- Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 10:34:01 (PDT)
In my opinion there's nothing wrong with the Champagne Song. It's a football match FFS. Just be grateful there is no IRA/racist/homophobic chanting and no violence, which at MANY other clubs (from the Ryman upwards) is a LOT more common than people think.
SW20 Don
- Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 05:24:44 (PDT)
Paul, I see the Westfield v AFC Wallingford attendance was 95 so how many of the 120 Dons fans went to the wrong ground?
Richard B another Wiltshire Don
- Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 01:40:44 (PDT)
In total agreement with the sentiments about some of the songs, particularly sung at the Westfield game. There is so much positive vocal support that can be, and not always, given that this Chelsea Style trash should not be encouraged. Perhaps we could sponser people not to sing any of this rubbish!?!
Richard B another Wiltshire Don
- Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 01:38:40 (PDT)
Yes that song is not only vile but also very unfunny. Also the comments about finishing 3rd and potential promotion is very encouraging (after hearing that we must come 2nd or 1st).
mark leadon
- Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 14:15:30 (PDT)
If you want a quality picture then look at this taken on www.afc-wombles.com, my head takes up nearly the whole pic.
http://www.katzpaw.co.uk/afc_wimbledon/photos/2003-04-21/afc-wombles_0377.JPG
Wazza
- Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 12:24:09 (PDT)
We've just got some more - yes MORE - photos developed, some of which are of the charity match. Brilliant close-up photos of Terry, Sully, Trigger and Dave Towse! Ken's going to try and get Sully to sign that one of him. Even though I say so myself (as I took it!), it is a fantastic photo! I think we'll have to start trying to sell them to raise money for the stadium fund! Unfortunately, they're still not as good as the ones Paul Willatts produces :-( - never mind!
Debs (d.richens@ntlworld.com)
- Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 10:09:34 (PDT)
Cheers Geoff I enjoy doing them for people wwho cant get to the games.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 09:37:35 (PDT)
Neil - The simple answer is no. BUT a lot of teams in the CCL has said they have heard that as long as we finish 3rd or better we will be in the Ryman league next year. The truth is we are unlikley to know anything until the ryman AGM which is round about 18th June.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 09:36:51 (PDT)
Keep up the excellent work with the text updates!!!!
Geoff (vredehoek@hotmail.com)
London, UK - Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 09:12:16 (PDT)
pardon my ignorance, but can we be promoted even if we finish 3rd behind Wallingford and Withdeen?
Neil (mr_motivator@hotmail.com)
Manchester, UK - Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 08:51:50 (PDT)
Thanks for the updates Paul, while I'm on my holidays, much appreciated. Also good to read the views of the Shots fan from Basingstoke. Look forward to playing in the same league as you in the future when you can meet the Basingstoke Wombles!!
Basingstoke DON (callum_watson@hotmail.com)
Basingstoke, - Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 06:36:23 (PDT)
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jonathan parsons (jane@crackley1297.fsnet.com)
coventry, england warkshire - Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 05:50:39 (PDT)
Took up your offer yesterday by going to see you at carshalton b4 our game at sutton.A very enjoyable and entertaining match(football was better than our game, but the robin's pitch is better than suttons!)You were far better than the opposition, and your support was fantatsic.you are at the beginning of a journey that we are almost finishing, although league status is another mountain to climb, but not unachievable.I understand that circumstances may mean you cannot progress this year, but keep the faith,as with your set up you will go a lot further.we had a few stagnant periods,but we are probably better prepared for it.The bonus of going into the rymans is that you can easily travel to every game,so enjoy that, butlike us,i expect you will not be satisfied until you have achieved league status again,if that is your aim.good luck for the future.
Pip@B/shots Fan (xandery@hotmail.com)
Basingstoke, - Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 04:43:51 (PDT)
Apprantly the crowd was given as just over 1,800 yesterday all I can say I was at Sutton Aldershot in the afternoon and that was 2,000 and we had a lot more than at Sutton.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 00:48:15 (PDT)
ne idea wot our attendance woz yesterday?
John Ivers
- Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 00:07:36 (PDT)
As Ken and I came back from Carshalton, through Selhurst (spit, spit!) yesterday on the 157, we had wondered if there was a game on and who was playing. We know now, of course that it was franchise, not Palace but it wasn't clear at first. Then Ken mentioned that if it had been Palace the place would have been swarming with supporters! We could only see Preston fans!! That, I think, says it all!!
Debs (Debs_73@hotmail.com)
- Monday, April 21, 2003 at 23:16:46 (PDT)
Fred - I couldn't agree MORE with you about the vile lyrics of that song! I don't like the way they "boast" about snorting cocaine or, as you have said, the way they insult the ladies of the opposition. I'm with you over your idea of coming up with a good song with funny and clean lyrics. Songs like this one can only give us a bad name and we're not like that.
Debs (Debs_73@hotmail.com)
- Monday, April 21, 2003 at 23:14:52 (PDT)
Paul - I didn't see Robbo's summersault either! I must be losing it!! Thank God for Charles Kemp producing the DVDs! Hopefully he will have captured it all so I will get to see it.
Debs Richens (Debs_73@hotmail.com)
- Monday, April 21, 2003 at 23:13:00 (PDT)
Fred:I agree with you, as Paul will testify, i attend games Home & Away with my daughters aged 4 & 10. It is slightly embarrassing when this particular chant rings out,luckily the girls are unaware of the meaning!
John Ivers
- Monday, April 21, 2003 at 14:48:11 (PDT)
The keys 'thing' is something the St pauli fans do, which seems to hav caught on. Something to do with unlocking the defence, i think!!
Lisa
- Monday, April 21, 2003 at 13:55:14 (PDT)
How many people of the 14+ age bracket attend Matchday Accademy, I'm a JD but haven't attended because I thought it was all younger ones...
Wazza
- Monday, April 21, 2003 at 12:58:09 (PDT)
102 points! Great! - even though we may not finish in the top two positions. Never mind, this has been the most enjoyable season for many a year. The future of the club looks good and, even at my old age, I look forward to much future success. Two points I would like to raise however. (1) what is the significance of everyone holding a bunch of keys up everytime we get a corner? And (2) do the supporters really have to sing that 'We are Wombles' song with the vile, insulting lyrics regarding the lady supporters of the opposition? We have such a good family atmosphere with children, young girls, mothers and grandmothers among our supporters that the lyrics must be as offensive to them as they are to me. How about someone coming up with a set of lyrics that are funny, witty and challenging without being downright offensive?
Fred Smith (Geriatric73@aol.com)
Morden, Surrey - Monday, April 21, 2003 at 12:36:15 (PDT)
What was today's gate?
Mark Leadon
- Monday, April 21, 2003 at 12:35:11 (PDT)
Debs - I must say the tripple sumersort that robbo done in the run up to the free kick was a bit over the top but I think it put the wall and keeper off :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, April 21, 2003 at 12:09:20 (PDT)
Paul - if you see Robbo, tell him I missed his goal today so could he possibly see his way to getting another one when he's in the squad for the next game?(!) As Lou Carton-Kelly told me at the game today that I would do, I also received an email from Anne Eames regarding my idea of the photo with fav player. Anne also agreed it was great, they would take it seriously but it would probably be implemented next season. Another idea related to this is have your photo taken with more than one player but the more players you have, the more money you pay. If you want to have it done with the whole team, well! Think of the money it would raise! I think it would also be great, though it would be difficult to arrange, I suppose, for a team photo to me done and posters of it sold.
Debs (Debs_73@hotmail.com)
- Monday, April 21, 2003 at 12:00:42 (PDT)
Wazza - These things cost a lot of money to set up it's a lot better to start with the three suggested youth sides and go from there. I am sure that we will have other sides even on an iregular basis best things to do is attend the academey sessions and get spotted.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, April 21, 2003 at 11:38:02 (PDT)
Is there ne chance of Dons aving another Youth side as I, along with alot of frieds, just miss out on the Under 14's...
Wazza
- Monday, April 21, 2003 at 11:07:02 (PDT)
The rymans vote last year was something like 17th June. We have applied so we would only need 50.01% I understand, but that would depend if we were put forward for the meeting which would only happen if we finish in the top two.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, April 21, 2003 at 10:47:15 (PDT)
Club Man hope you have voted for the player of the year on this site have a look in the news section for the link.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, April 21, 2003 at 10:45:15 (PDT)
Great idea Mark. How far is the route?
P>S - What was the attendence today anyone?
Sege
- Monday, April 21, 2003 at 10:21:38 (PDT)
Good solid performance today against Raynes Park Vale. I think that the signing of Matt Everard was the best one of the season. I would vote for him as POTY but would feel unfair to those who have been here all season. My vote: Danny Oakins (even if he supports the scum!)
Club Man
- Monday, April 21, 2003 at 10:20:08 (PDT)
How about a sponsored bike ride that incorporates ALL CCL Premier Clubs. Start point Plough Lane. End point Kingsmeadow. A photo at each ground to prove the point. I know there are some long distances ie. Withdean & AFC Wallies. If we can get enough people interested I will organise the route. Ideally, we would arrive at a home game (possibly the 1st home one next season!). Would probably take about 3 days! Any takers out there?
mark austin (mark.austin@gbairways.co.uk)
Crawley, - Monday, April 21, 2003 at 10:15:34 (PDT)
Hi! Paul. When is the Ryman AGM set for. and will our application have to be put to the vote again. where by we need that 95%,to gain our promotion to Ryman Div 1 south.
wolveswomble
- Monday, April 21, 2003 at 10:14:45 (PDT)
REPD, I'm not saying that AFCW are 'wrong' as such - (I am 100% behind them) just that they should think about dropping those honours. Surely, if the dream does happen and AFCW climb up to the league or even the prem, it would be better to say 'we were formed 10, 15, 20 years ago and we have made it this far, rather than saying we are returning, if you see what I mean? WFC's achievements will be celebrated by all who experienced them whether they are printed in an AFCW prog or not. By the way, apologies as I realised the 'historical feature' I mentioned is already in Y&B!
Edinburgh Don
- Monday, April 21, 2003 at 03:19:11 (PDT)
Debs - brilliant news. This is the important things guys and girls any idea you have send it in and the people will look at it if we can do it we will.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 12:07:05 (PDT)
Paul - just thought I'd let you know that I have just this minute received a response from Lou regarding my idea and she thinks it's a good one! She said (and I quote) "Think it’s a great idea – Anne and I will run it past Paul Willatts and see if we can gain his support then we can approach the players.
Really do think it is a great money spinner with everyone being happy at the end of the day."
Watch this space!
Debs (Debs_73@hotmail.com)
- Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 11:48:23 (PDT)
Paul - I have now emailed Anne and Lou and will have to see what they say now. It'd be great if it could be done!
Debs Richens (Debs_73@hotmail.com)
- Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 09:32:04 (PDT)
Debs - I like it a lot I think it may have been sugested before but e-mail it across I am sure Anne and Lou would appreiacte it. Could be an idea for the family fun day on 25th May 2003.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 08:36:42 (PDT)
Paul - have thought of an idea for fund raising and am going to email Lou and Anne but Ken suggested I post it on here too. If the players and photographer were in agreement, what about people paying to have a photograph taken of themselves with their favourite player? The photos that John Ivers' daughters Jessica and Jade had taken with Sully and Joe when the girls were mascots were excellent. Do you think this idea is feasible?
Debs (Debs_73@hotmail.com)
- Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 08:10:02 (PDT)
John
please check your Afc prog not a half decent news rag
Ken A Richens (KennethRich_@hotmail.com)
anerlry, london uk - Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 04:22:21 (PDT)
Ken - Sure was Tudor.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 04:18:53 (PDT)
Paul
was it Tudor dress as a Viking (madman )
Ken
Ken Richens (KennethRich_@hotmail.com)
anerley, london uk - Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 04:17:06 (PDT)
ED (and others) - difference is between AFCW and other clubs who've had to restart again was that WFC was "stolen" whereas the others were "lost". Claiming the heritage of WFC is as much an act of defiance as anything else. Legally, it's a very grey area, which is why Koppout won't pursue the matter. Morally we *know* it's ours, most people there lived through it and can claim it as "theirs". Not anyone in MK who didn't know what a football was until Koppout kicked one at them. Do two wrongs make a right? Probably not, though you tell anyone associated at AFCW whether what they're doing is "wrong" and you'll be laughed at chroncially.
REPD
SM4, - Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 03:47:35 (PDT)
according 2 NLP we only had 150 less than Aldershot.
John Ivers
- Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 03:41:40 (PDT)
John - it's a 12:00 kick off monday. Regarding the "Viking" he's a Don through and through I dont think he celebrates goals he has also been working for most the season with the merchandise wombulance team. Has missed a few game so brilliant to see him yesterday :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 02:35:19 (PDT)
REPD, I see your point. However, I still think AFCW should celebrate their own achievements as they come rather than clinging on to the old honours. Interesting comments from Newport, and I tend to agree with TW. How about a piece in each programme (excuse me if this is already done) featuring a great Dons team/player/achievement from the past? Anyone can recite old honours, but surely a couple of pages celebrating the likes of Law, Sommers, Guy, Beasant et al would be a far more fitting tribute? TW should be able to help with the first three as he is old too ;-)
Edinburgh Don
- Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 01:58:38 (PDT)
WOT:The CCL Website states thatour game on Monday is an 11am KO
John Ivers
- Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 17:37:27 (PDT)
We (Newport County) reclaimed our name a couple of years ago having been Newport AFC for yonks. We are the same supporters, same colours, and we talk of the old club as if it is the same club we support now..but we don't list the achievements in our program. It would be a very short list anyway ;0)
Wanna Blurt (wanna_mog@hotmail.com)
Newport, S.Wales - Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 16:16:49 (PDT)
Next season, Can we enter the FA cup and presumably the Vase?
Alan
- Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 14:35:15 (PDT)
I didn't see him celebrating any goals so i think he was with them.
Rich Kewell (afcdon1634@aol.com)
Wickford, England - Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 14:22:22 (PDT)
I saw the Viking - was he an AFC fan or an away supporter?! (he was down the end we were attacking which suggested he was a Don).
mark leadon
- Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 14:09:08 (PDT)
Just got home from the game...did anyone else see the viking wandering round? And as for the 4th goal it looked as if the keeper was trying to casually trap it...should've saved the circus music for that moment!
Rich Kewell (afcdon1634@aol.com)
Wickford, England - Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 14:06:28 (PDT)
That 4th goal! I looked away for a split second and it was in the net! Did it go under or over the goalies boot or what?
mark leadon
- Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 13:31:31 (PDT)
what a season! 24 years a womble. never prouder to be a don. never prouder to hate the franchise. we'll see them on their way down.
mark (Mwoodheadm@aol.com)
Leeds, - Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 12:29:00 (PDT)
It's interesting to see the "whose honours" messages. But, like it or not the honours were gained by Wimbledon F.C. The fact that the club is being hijacked to Milton Keynes does not alter the ownership of the honours. The new AFC club is exactly that- a new club. Formed out of the supporters hard work and passion I agree but not entitled to any honours until they have been won. Many say that W.F.C should lose them when the 'franchise' starts, but for any other club to claim them is doing exactly the same as Koppel--"taking something away from others"( certain laws prevent me from using the proper words). And, as we all know, two wrongs do not make a right.
TW
- Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 08:30:24 (PDT)
ED - I think the point is that many consider AFCW as the "same" club that we all started supporting. Even those who don't will still consider that Franchise don't deserve to claim the honours from WIMBLEDON Football Club. It's not as though they particularly celebrated their past pre-AFCW days.
REPD
SM4, - Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 04:40:15 (PDT)
Should AFCW really be printing all WFC's honours in their programme? I know they aren't being claimed as AFCW's, but then what's the point of printing them? Wimbledon Football Club as we know it has gone to be franchised, but like it or not, those honours are owned by that club. I thought that the whole point behind the formation of AFCW was to draw a line under the old club and start again from scratch. Claiming 100 odd years worth of honours isn't exactly strating from scratch is it? I'm not saying we have to forget what's gone before but I do think it's time to look to the future and not cling on to something that's gone.
Edinburgh Don
- Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 01:37:42 (PDT)
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MUMUMAN (MUGU@MUGU.COM)
MUMU, MUMU MUMU - Friday, April 18, 2003 at 08:33:12 (PDT)
Hey Mighty F Fan - Well done - do the same to the Wallies please!
As for the badge, I kind of think that we are Wimbledon thus should have the "full" badge. On the other hand, Merton have hardly gone out their way to help us and we are a new club I guess.
massive john
- Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 15:03:30 (PDT)
What was the quote in that rag that Koppell sent us all? Something like 'same colours, same badge, same club', wasn't it? I'm pleased that they are changing the badge, it means that any of my old stuff with the WFC crest on it will not be confused with those tossers! Does Koppell seriously expect anyone to believe that he is shedding tears over substituting a bit of football history for a bit of tat with MK all over it? One of Koppell's mob contacted TW last October asking about the origins of the badge (assuming correctly that, as a supporter of 40 years standing he is probably one of the most knowledgable around, but incorrectly that he would help them) I assumed it was because he wanted to prevent AFCW using the badge, but he was obviously laying the groundwork to ditch it. Did Merton say he couldn't use it, or did 'someone' else?
Edinburgh Don
- Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 14:52:36 (PDT)
Thursdays result Withdean '2000' 0 Feltham 0 , not a bad result for the Mighty ones :-)
Mighty Feltham Fan (life on plastic its fantastic ;-) )
- Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 14:13:12 (PDT)
Don't waste your e-mails. The so-called 'everdon' is just another pseudonym for stooge of the disgusting Charles Koppel.
Big john
UK - Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 13:40:24 (PDT)
Remember everdon, we did not want to lose the club to Buckinghamshire but it was taken away from us. We had no choice but to design our own team!
mark leadon
- Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 13:09:48 (PDT)
Everdon,....I can't believe that the new Franchise logo was 'designed'!, unless a Palace fan had some input, a camp one at that and a feather boa that Quentin Crisp would have been proud of. Fly away to MK and don't come back.
Johnny Proud
SW19, - Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 09:38:49 (PDT)
Everdon - hmm, forced to design own badge. Which ever-so-conveniently coincides with Franchise going up there and this new design just so happens to have "MK" woven into the design. How ruddy convenient. Doesn't even LOOK like an eagle. By the way, how come every Franchise fan always seem to use not only the same arguments but exactly the same phrases? Don't tell me they really cannot think for themselves? Pathetic, really..
REPD
Morden, nowhere near Milton Keynes - Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 09:20:46 (PDT)
Remember afcw lot, we did not want to lose the badge we were ordered to stop using it.We had no choice but to design our own.
everdon
- Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 08:20:21 (PDT)
MJ - I say no the best suggestion I have heard is to get the badge and retire it so that we always own it but no one can use it. The badge we currently use is based on the original Wimbledon badge.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 00:46:41 (PDT)
Should we change our badge to the old Wimbledon one?
Massive John
- Wednesday, April 16, 2003 at 15:09:23 (PDT)
The new badge can be seen on the big tissue's web site
Rich Kewell (afcdon1634@aol.com)
Wickford, England - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 13:33:13 (PDT)
If franchise eventually change their name as well as the badge they are effectively a new club and should surely be put to the bottom of the pyramid (wishful thinking on my part)
Rich Kewell (afcdon1634@aol.com)
Wwickford, England - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 13:27:08 (PDT)
I think its good about the badge. Franchise has nothing to do with Wimbledon now and have no right to it. (Nor to the name either).
mark leadon
- Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 12:36:17 (PDT)
I have just come across your site, via the wallingford site, and i'm really please as the other web site is ten days too late. I used to watch Wimbledon before the moved to C.Palace, but now I'm back following the Dons at Kinsmeadow.
sandy (sandy.card@tinyworld.co.uk)
surrey, england - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 11:42:39 (PDT)
Where's the pic of the NEW badge on Wisa?
Wazza
- Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 09:38:21 (PDT)
Just a reminder 15:06 today or 7:06 by the guestbook clock is anniversary of hillsborough. Take a minute out to remember fellow football fans. RIP
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 07:00:20 (PDT)
Wibbly - Hope so mate sooner they change the better.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 06:48:34 (PDT)
Paul, are they or are they not total tossers, just looked at the new crest it is obvious from the MK in Yellow that very soon they will be changing to MK Dons, MK Eagles or the likes, what do you think
Wibbly Don
- Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 06:28:16 (PDT)
Alright mate, see you there.
ash
- Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 05:52:48 (PDT)
Ash - Getting 6:05 from tooting so by 6:15 meet you on platform 8 if you want - Updates also from RPV game as well now.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 05:48:40 (PDT)
Paul - Are you still aiming to be at Wimbledon by about 6pm?
ash
- Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 05:31:26 (PDT)
The badge is ours :) - anyone who hasn't seen it the coat of arms people have told them to change there badge and they have done you can see it on the wisa site and check the yellow to see what it spells!!
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 04:42:52 (PDT)
Paul, please en-lighten us to the story around triggers goal in charity game.
Lisa
- Monday, April 14, 2003 at 12:45:14 (PDT)
Decisions, decisions Paul! By the way Ken's just got yet more photos developed including some of the Westfield game and some good ones of the charity match yesterday, one of which is a brilliant one of Ivor! He was SUCH a good sport! I was looking through one of our albums today when I noticed a couple of good (if I may say so myself(!)) photos I'd taken of Terry Eames - he's looking very pensive and gazing out at the pitch at Kingsmeadow. I'm going to bring them along on Saturday to show him. I could kick myself though because at the match yesterday, at one point he was strolling along with his arm round Robbo talking and it would made a great photo! Never mind......
Debs
- Monday, April 14, 2003 at 11:57:59 (PDT)
MFF - Good to hear from you. To be honest I think W2k have the league won but Wallies could yet lose 2nd place. All help appreciated by the way :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 11:28:37 (PDT)
I don't know if you have noticed Paul but 'we' have two games before the end of the season that could really affect the final league standings , according to the SHL site we are due to play Withdean 2000 on Thursday 17th April and AFC Wallingford Saturday 3rd May!!!!!
Mighty Feltham Fan (life on plastic its fantastic ;-) )
- Monday, April 14, 2003 at 11:02:20 (PDT)
Debs - If it make you feel any better I am just think what shall I do after doing the next update (pics from yesterday) Shall I watch AFCW 5 Ash 3 or AFCW 3 AFCW 2 :)
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 10:25:48 (PDT)
Call me sad but I'm already suffering from AFC withdrawal symptoms - despite only seeing them on Saturday (and some yesterday)!! I HAVE got it bad! Still, the brilliant news is that we get to see them twice this coming weekend. As for the rest of the time, it's a case of watching past games on DVD!
Debs Richens (Debs_73@hotmail.com)
- Monday, April 14, 2003 at 10:13:29 (PDT)
I agree John. The substitutes bench can look very busy and they all wear Franchise tops so it must be very confusing when calculating numbers. Are we forgetting the St. Johns ambulancemen and the programme sellers. Go MK....can they all please just go MK. We have our mighty AFC! COME ON YOU WOMBLES!!!!!
Johnny Proud
SW19, - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 09:11:36 (PDT)
My 12 included the manager; assistant; substitutes; Koppout; coach; kitman; doctor & A N Other
John Ivers
- Monday, April 14, 2003 at 09:00:04 (PDT)
I'd say 12 was pushing it. Take pies out of the equation, a couple of stewards, Koppels family, the floodlight engineer and the girl who deals with season ticket returns and you're left with er,......do you think Koppel includes the Franchise players.....linesmen....the ref?. Still he's got 2000 school kids to look forward to in MK, though I suspect most of them would rather do their homework instead.
Johnny Proud
SW19, - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 08:41:01 (PDT)
Figure
John Ivers
- Monday, April 14, 2003 at 07:42:07 (PDT)
that explains the crowd figures this season. take the actual figue and add two zeros to the end!!!!!!!!!!!
John Ivers
- Monday, April 14, 2003 at 07:41:38 (PDT)
I was completely gobsmacked when I read what Koppout had to say about season tickets and how the offer didn't extend to AFC fans. Does he really think we'd be interested?! As for the "1,200 supporters who stayed with us" - somebody should tell him he's got his sums wrong. Mind you, however many fans they have at the moment, he should consider himself lucky because it'll eventually dwindle to none whatsoever - most of them will end up being AFC supporters! Another fantastic victory on Saturday lads - keep up the good work!
Debs Richens (Debs_73@hotmail.com)
- Monday, April 14, 2003 at 06:49:28 (PDT)
Just read in the Standard that the desperate Charlie Koppout is offering 70% reductions in season ticket prices to follow the Franchise up the M1. After slagging off AFC fans he then said this offer doesn't extend to AFC supporters. 'Oh our lives are over Charlie!' He just doesn't get it. An absolute disgrace to fans everywhere. He goes on to say his obligation is 'to the 1200 supporters who stayed with us'. Er,....how many!!. Charlie Koppel, you make me laugh. In fact I'm sorry I even brought this up.
johnny Proud
SW19, - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 05:32:24 (PDT)
Thanks for the fixture list
LAL Epsom Wombles
- Monday, April 14, 2003 at 05:01:38 (PDT)
And just to keep Mr Elson happy in the same order 11541 45077 STEPHEN. ELSON M 41 04:20:46
Paul Raymond (webamster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 03:45:11 (PDT)
John - Lee name is Lee Willett position 14317 number 45075 Name LEE. WILLETT Sex M Age 34 Time 04:37:41
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 03:43:25 (PDT)
I'v just been looking at the London Marathon results today, in my capacity of Running Club Press Officer. I saw that Steve Elson finished the Marathon in 4:20:46, just outside his anticipated time. CONGRATULATIONS STEVE.
Icould not see any result for Lee, but he deserves CONGRATULATIONS 2
John Ivers
- Monday, April 14, 2003 at 02:09:09 (PDT)
Lancashire Done - Nice idea, the next place Real Madrid are due to play is Manchester problem is I dont think you will get near them, give it a go if you wish.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 00:34:54 (PDT)
Remaining Wally fixtures - Westfield (a) 15/4, Chess & H (a) 19/4, Cove (a) 21/4, G&G (h) 26/4, Feltham (a) 3/5, Ash U (h) 5/5
Komarca Don
- Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 23:39:39 (PDT)
Does anybody know AFC Wallies remaining fixture list or where it can be found?
LAL Epsom Wombles (liam.louise@btinternet.com)
Epsom, Surrey England - Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 22:53:21 (PDT)
Paul, Just an idea for a possible raffle prize but alot would depend upon peoples connections, relating back to the premiership era with Man. Utd.. With Real Madrid coming over for thr 1/4 final of the Champions League - but also possibly the final, an AFC Wimbledon shirt signed by the likes of Ronaldo, Zidane, Roberto Carlos, Figo etc. Just an idea. Don't know if its feasible though.
Lancashiredon
Preston, - Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 15:16:58 (PDT)
Steve - a lot of people are headed to Westfield vs Wallingford on Tuesday night. I'm going to scout the Vile at home to Merstham. And it's Arse vs ManUre on Wednesday night on the tele.....
Nick (nick.draper@tinyworld.co.uk)
- Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 13:31:42 (PDT)
is there any good mid week matches this week that are worth going to.
steve
- Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 12:46:33 (PDT)
Wazza - We lost 2-1 in first half and 3-0 in the second half so 5-1 overall. I will do a write up on Monday.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 12:06:13 (PDT)
Wat was the score for the Old Ruts AFCW game and who scored, I couldn't go...
Wazza
- Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 10:27:50 (PDT)
Don4 - without being clever no team gets promoted from the CCL. The CCL rule "apprantley" state that any team who finish in the top two will be put forward for potential election to Rymans Div 1. Then they are subject to getting enough votes at the AGM. A team that finishes 3rd wont be put forward to the Rymans AGM even if the top two are not up to scratch. So if we finish 3rd we wont be put forward by the CCL.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 10:05:59 (PDT)
I am sure this has been covered but if at the start of the season all knew that 2 go up ,if 1 of those who finish 1st or 2nd dont meet requirements surley its not que jumping if the 3rd place team get promoted.and how the hell do you spell que
DON4 (WHERES THE DICTIONARY)
- Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 05:40:12 (PDT)
Just about to do a travel update to the Old Ruts game today and a number of us are going on Tuesday to the Westfield game.
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 00:00:13 (PDT)
Wolves Womble - We have applied we had to apply by 31st Jan so if we finish in the top two we should be put forward for the Rymans AGM
Paul Raymond (webmaster@itmustbedons.com)
Tooting, London England - Saturday, April 12, 2003 at 23:59:16 (PDT)
paul,in your match report you forgot to add: "And at half time we made our way to the other end, but i conviently lost my dear friend SamTheDon en route as i was rabbitin' too much!"
SamTheDon
staines, iraq - Saturday, April 12, 2003 at 16:40:20 (PDT)
Hi! Paul how's things could you please answer a question for me if you can, Are the club going to apply for promotion if we can finish 2nd in the league or will we have to play another season in this league. look forward to your reply. chow speak soon.
wolveswomble (oapollo69@msn.com)
Wolverhampton, - Saturday, April 12, 2003 at 15:29:07 (PDT)
is there going to b many people going to the wallies match on tuesday
jimmy
- Saturday, April 12, 2003 at 13:53:59 (PDT)
is there any info on how 2 travel to the charity match?
dave
- Saturday, April 12, 2003 at 13:53:15 (PDT)
Wallingford lost again! Got a chance to catch them!
mark leadon
- Saturday, April 12, 2003 at 12:22:10 (PDT)
Richard B: I think there was a fair number of worthing locals there, but worthing probably manipulated the gate so withdean would have to give them more money!
Worthing
USA - Saturday, April 12, 2003 at 09:14:16 (PDT)
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